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What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a sequel?

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I hope, that they DON'T redo something like Khan. PLEASE, don't give us an alternate version of Khan.

There's a whole new playground now, so let's go with NEW stories. I really don't want rehashes or alternate versions of the same characters/menaces (Khan, Mudd, Soran, Doomsday Machine, V'Ger etc.) that I've already seen.

It would be interesting to see how the Vulcan survivors form a new society, at least to me. I doubt that will get a story though as it wouldn't be of interest to the casual fan but be more of a story that would intrigue established fans.
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Having Carol Marcus as an antogonist would be pretty cool, but there would be a pretty vocal fan base against that, and Orrci and Kurtman seemed to be going for a close to Prime-verse relationship for the two, so that's kinda unlikely.

Then again, it could work if you have an idealistic Carol not budging on some sort of issue while a threat bears down on the Enterprise and a colony/science outpost/whatever, forcing Kirk to outsmart her or something before she ends up getting herself (an/or a lot of people) killed.
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I wouldn't be surprised if the sequel involved the Swinetrek, err I mean Enterprise, getting terrorized by Chopped Liver from the galaxy Zabar.

Best idea yet! :techman:
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I don't remember if someone said this in this thread yet, but I think they're going to do something with the Vulcan katras.

They said they thought it was brilliant that Spock injected his katra into McCoy at the end of TWOK and gave the next movie something to go on.

yeah, but I think that's just an example they used to show the "genius" of the idea of the cinematic pretzel.
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

It was said O&K didn't even notice Spock had done that until they watched STIII. And they insinuated the Vulcan katras into this movie about the same way.

Plus, Orci made a point in the Q&A of telling someone they had figured out what the Vulcans were doing in the Katric Ark. I don't know how it will show up, but I think it's going to show up.
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I think they said that they did notice it in STII but were a bit flummoxed... as in, "wha? WTF was all THAT about?"

meaning, the grabbing McCoy and "remember" scene.

then, when STIII showed up... lightbulb moment!!

that's what I got out of that interview :)
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

And then he called it "genius!" They were discussing how to tie sequels together, and they really liked this subtle idea. They worked the Katric Ark angle with the same subtlety in this movie. I have no idea how it will appear, but I feel pretty confident it will appear -- and that's what this topic is about: things we think will appear.
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

yeah, it was genius.

I just don't think the Katric Arc idea is. especially if we can see it a mile away :p
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Again, it's not my opinion of what's genius. It's what I think will show up in the movie in some capacity. They like it.
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Having Carol Marcus as an antogonist would be pretty cool, but there would be a pretty vocal fan base against that, and Orrci and Kurtman seemed to be going for a close to Prime-verse relationship for the two, so that's kinda unlikely.

Then again, it could work if you have an idealistic Carol not budging on some sort of issue while a threat bears down on the Enterprise and a colony/science outpost/whatever, forcing Kirk to outsmart her or something before she ends up getting herself (an/or a lot of people) killed.
I like that idea. It would be more interesting if they do not focus on straight-up villains this time. Instead, have a crisis and a major difference in opinion and tactics, where both parties are good people with good goals, but they are still antagonistic to each other.

Whatever the A-storyline is (and I agree that it will most likely include Klingons in some way), I think they have to follow up on the destruction of Vulcan and the changes within the Federation and the political climate in general. This is too huge a plot to just leave it hanging. Show the surviving Vulcans cope and what effects this will have on their attitudes, as well on the Vulcan-Romulan relations... Is the Federation in general going to be seen, now more than ever, as dominated by Earth? How much has its status, reputation and strengh been hurt by Nero so easily destroying one of is founding planets? Dos it affect its balance of power with the Klingons and the Romulans?

On the personal level, they should put McCoy more in the focus and develop his relationships with Kirk and Spock; develop Sulu, Chekov and Scotty more - in patricular, show Scotty's serious side in addition to the comic relief one. Explain the background on Uhura and Spock's relationship, and show the obstacles and problems that their relationship will be facing; it's an opportunity to have a storyline about obstacles that an interspecies(interracial), cross-cultural relationsip can face - there's social relevance for you; keep racism as a theme, in ST09 we've seen Spock suffer racism from Vulcans and to a lesser degree we've seen glimpses of racism he faces from the humans, but the latter was not as prominent. And,as we know, nothing brings out the hidden racism out in the open as being faced with interracial relationships - for many closet racists, this is the ultimate taboo. (There are also lots of opportunities of exploring the theme of racism and prejudice with the relations between humans and Romulans, Vulcans and Romulans, and probably some other races, if there is another conflict in the movie.) Spock might have concluded that Earth was the only home he had left, but will the majority of the humans ever see him as one of his own, and will that make him resort more to his Vulcan identity? Especially since there are so few Vulcans left - he may feel an obligation to be loyal to his 'endangered species' by being and acting more as a Vulcan.

Kirk's relationship with Carol Marcus, if they introduce it as they seemed to be planning, could be a contrast to it, as two people who are of similar backgrounds (at least they could be in this version - Carol was supposed to be seen as a child in Iowa scenes) but have opposing career paths and decisions that will break them apart. It's also an oportunity to emphasize that, despite Kirk's interest in women, his ship and his career as a captain is the most important to him, and that his relationships will suffer as a resulf ot it.

Also, Kirk should not be presented as a trusted captain right at the start of the sequel. He got a fast promotion, and despite probably being the hero of the day, as an inexperienced captain, he should still be struggling to prove himself to everyone and earn the kind of respect they had for him in TOS.

Please no Khan, no revenge-bent villains in general, and no other storyline that has been done to death (e.g. Nomad/V-ger, etc.).
 
Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

If you read Trekweb Orci and Kurtzman have just been interviewed about the sequel, some key points:

they don't know if J.J. Abrams is directing the sequel - he's still undecided
They want to finish the sequel script by Christmas
Paramount wants to make the film as soon as possible
They've been reading what the fans have been saying online
That could well mean we won't see Khan since people seemed pretty unaminously against it?

Huzzah! :D

READ CAREFULLY BOYS:

[highlight]NO KHAN![/highlight]

Also:

They say they're debating between "the exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary or the villain model. That's an active discussion we're having right now. In terms of thinking about more than one movie, we want the movie to be self-contained in a way, but we're discussing the idea of having a couple of threads where if the second movie works, you could pick up into a cohesive whole. No thread more exciting and shocking for me when in "Star Trek III" you realize that Spock grabbed Bones and downloaded his Katra into him. When I saw "Star Trek II" I was like, "What's going on here?" and two years later, you're watching it and you're like "They're geniuses! They're geniuses!" So we're trying to think is there a version of that but again, "Star Trek II" does not rely on that thread, even though it turns out to be a thread. So we're thinking in those terms."
The idea of nature and the unknown as the villain sounds very interesting like in The Motion Picture/The Voyage Home and could deliver us a much more solid sci-fi film. The question is would the new audience they are trying to target be interested in that kind of story? It seems that nowadays if there isn't an over simplified moustache twirling villain then nobody can understand the plot.

I say go for the nature/unknown as the main adversery but throw in a minor villain as a secondary plot.

That sounds absolutely perfect!

Perhaps Ben Cross will return to play a Romulan Commander who is never quite referred to by name and bears a striking resemblance to Sarek? :rommie:

Or Kor. Kor could work. But I'm not keen on Klingons, either.

[highlight]AVOID KLINGONS![/highlight]

;)
 
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