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Spoilers What do you think of the social commentary in Discovery so far?

The Overlord

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What do you think of the social commentary in Discovery so far?

T'Kmuva and the Klingons seem like vague Trump/alt right stand ins. Lorca seems like a more obvious Trump stand in. The ISS Charon and its generator depleting the spore mycelial network is clear commentary on the oil industry and climate change.

If anyone wants to complain about this social commentary for its lack of subtly, I do think that TOS' criticism of racism or the Vietnam war was not very subtle either.
 
I'm not noticing anything that blatantly calls back to The Trump Era, for which I'm glad. Mainly because I'm watching Star Trek to get away from it. I say this as someone who's part of The Resistance and goes to Protests.

I don't mind DSC making parallels to things that were going on before Trump announced his Presidential bid and will still be around after he leaves Office, but I would prefer commentary on the Early-21st Century in General rather than the particular pocket of it we're unfortunately living in right now.

It will also make the show less dated when we're watching it, say, 10 years from now. Star Trek VI, because of its subject matter and how anvil-icious it was about it, couldn't be more of its time if it tried. As much as I like the film, it's too much of its time. I'd rather DSC not fall into the same trap.
 
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I think the social commentary in the show so far is insignificant, facile, and obvious.

By way of contrast, as much as I disliked nuBSG for the way it undermined itself in the end, prior to S4 that show did some really thought-provoking allegories. S3 in particular (the prison camp season) was fantastic. DSC hasn't come anywhere close to that sort of thing.
 
I think social commentary has been a real weakness of Discovery so far. That and some disappointingly sloppy writing.

I want to say that I have genuinely been enjoying Discovery, but the way I might enjoy fast food as opposed to a meal cooked with more care and consideration.

I just don't think Star Trek is really doing its job if it isn't providing a social commentary on contemporary topics. Perhaps I'm setting an unfairly high bar but I do expect Star Trek to aspire to more and have something to say, especially now.

There is just so much it could be talking about: nationalism, isolationism, Trupism, sexism (still alive and well), broken democracy, conflict between cultures (it has touched on this), the environment...

Season 1 still hasn't wrapped up so it probably isn't fair to pass any kind of final judgement but I'm really hoping to see more substance in season 2.
 
It's there definitely, I just don't think it's on previous Trek's levels yet. Feels to me we need far more standalone stories for this, and when I say that I think of Enterprise's 'Cogenitor' which just exemplifies this part of Trek so well.
 
I have not noticed any social commentary in the series. Nothing that makes me think.

Sometimes, events in the real world bring a new context to the film or tv series. Like, hearing the horrendous stories involving the police and the black communities, made me re-evaluate what I was told as an audience member in the film "To Shoot a Mockingbird". The lawyer, played by Gregory Peck, is told that his black client was shot by police while attempting to escape. I did not pay much mind to it before. Now, I see that as a lie, that something more sinister happen between the black man and the cops. That the lie was a cover-up.

Or, after watching "The Shape of Water" tonight, it came home to me that there is a black community and a white community in this country. That they are divided by an invisible line, and that when a white character, who was looking into the whereabouts of a missing asset, not only intruded into the black women's home, he was intruding into her community. He used fear and intimidation to get the information he wanted.

This type of examination has not availed of itself when I watch Star Trek: Discovery. There is little in the series that is relatable to the real world.

I was listening to commentary by Mission Log about First Contact. It was posited by the film that for Humans to become a more enlightened society that we (a.) had to suffer a major catastrophe and (b.) we had to experience a major external event, like first contact between the Vulcans and Humans. They were skeptical. I, too, am skeptical. I read an article about the West's reaction to the refugees. Refugees are not fleeing because they want better economic oppurtunities elsewhere - they are fleeing to save themselves and their loved ones.

The refugee crisis is not about refugees, rather, it is about us. Our prioritisation of financial gain over people’s struggle for the necessities of life is the primary cause of much of this crisis. The west has all but abandoned its belief in humanity and support for the precious ideals contained in declarations on universal human rights. It has sacrificed these ideals for short-sighted cowardice and greed.

Establishing the understanding that we all belong to one humanity is the most essential step for how we might continue to coexist on this sphere we call Earth. I know what it feels like to be a refugee and to experience the dehumanisation that comes with displacement from home and country. There are many borders to dismantle, but the most important are the ones within our own hearts and minds – these are the borders that are dividing humanity from itself.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/02/refugee-crisis-human-flow-ai-weiwei-china

We struggle as a people to look beyond numbers. We are told that there 800,000 or 1.8 million individuals who might be DACA. We do not consider that there is more than this. We do not consider the people they have touched in their lives, the people who have become more than acquaintances, who have become friends and family. The communities they have created. We do not consider that when we send these people back to countries that they are having an impact on those countries, on the communities they are involuntarily joining. We are taking people who are successful here and making them a burden for another country.

If there is an external factor, we will come together, fight it, and go back to our squabbles. In the Napoleonic era, after Napoleon was defeated, a Pandora's box of resentments was unleashed, especially in southeastern Europe which had long-standing resentment against the Ottoman Empire. It turned into open warfare. Over a century later, after World War II, many feared civil wars in Europe, as again long-standing resentments boiled to the surface, erupting into localized wars.

Some will think climate change will be that great event which bring us close together. No, I do not see it. I see nations closing borders to refugees, I see nations and groups fighting over resources, I see nations collapsing. I do not see Humanity coming out of it as one great community, bonded by shared values. I see a world more divided, I see more sorrow and suffering and despair.

Star Trek: Discovery does not come close to addressing the issues in our society. The writers have demonstrated at best a facile understanding of the issues. They read the headlines, the brief summaries, and think they know the issues. They do not. What they present is Hollywood claptrap. And, next year, they plan to examine the role of science and faith in our society.

“We are very interested in tackling themes of faith next year, science vs. faith,” Harberts said. “We’re interested in different points of view on that and we’re still hashing out what we want to tell. The second season is not a war season. We’re in this interesting pocket of time, 10 years, now nine years before TOS. There are a lot of things in terms of TOS canon that we want to do some nods to and we’re still figuring it out. This next season is going to be jam packed with stuff that we wanted to do [the first season].”

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-discovery-season-2-tca-2018/

"Angels and Ministers of Grace, defend us." McCoy, Star Trek IV
 
I can’t say I’m paying that much attention as I haven’t really noticed much.

There’s the Federation not be perfect or universally approved by its inhabitants, unlike the one party system we’ve seen before.

There’s the abuse of the environment message, buts pretty standard.

I’m not seeing the Klingons as trump, don’t see that at all, but I’m not American.

To be fair though, I don’t watch Trek for its social commentary, I tend to read the opinion pieces for that.
 
To be more precise, it's racial isolation, where the other is treated as an "exotic species" and, if it proves a threat, it should be exterminated. It's about purifying an existing community of outside influence. Star Trek has addressed this theme as far back as the original series. Does Discovery add anything new to the discussion? I do not know.
 
Well it started to, with the whole "Klingons unite" against the Federation plot that got jettisoned pretty much for the puzzle box. I think the show chose to invest too much in giving us a guessing game about Lorca, how to escape the MU (I almost Freudianly wrote EU!) , and how they're gonna resolve the war we haven't really experienced (so don't really care about). The whole xenophobia/tribalism thing for the most part was jettisoned imho.
 
All,

Thank you for the sensible discussion so far. Given the topic of the thread, I would ask that we make a special effort to preserve this tone - this isn't the forum for discussion of current political issues, so let's keep it to Discovery's presentation of sociopolitical commentary, and keep the discussion civil.

Many thanks - the Discovery mods
 
Based on what's been happening the last couple of years (rise of brownshirts et al.), I guess it's an age-old message that bears repeating? You could re-tell it with little tweaks that more closely parallel the specifics of the era when you're making your show.
 
Not much commentary. Relied to much on the Trump catchphrase of "Make America Great" but not sure what they have offered in terms of insights other than racism is bad. Which is not exactly earth shattering news. I didn't see enviroment angle until the very last episode.

What is bad though is some of the commentary that I felt was working was dropped. Lorca is no longer suffering from PTSD and Stamets is not dealing with a drug issue once his happy mood sort of went away. I guess the message that gay marriage is normal counts as commentary but once again not something all that shocking. Sexual Abuse with Tyler also dropped because he ended up being a Klingon.

Jason
 
Based on comments before airing, I was expecting commentary on the themes of brinkmanship and the value of peaceful diplomacy over war. So far, I haven't seen a great deal of either. The planet Pahvo was an interesting idea but it didn't go anywhere (yet), and generally the focus has been on frontline tactics rather than strategic manoeuvring.
What we have had that was worthwhile are PTSD and sexual violence presentations, albeit these have both been somewhat undermined later by the directions those stories took.
What I hope to see post Lorca is more of the core Star Trek themes of "be who you say you are going to be (live your values)" and "an enemy is just like you deep down". I suspect that this is the direction the finale will take.
 
I was reading opinions about the latest SOTU speech from Trump. The writers were remarking upon the President's, and his party in general, blind spot to the role women play in society beyond being the carriers of unborn child. It shoud have been not a revelation. Carlin had a thing to say about it years ago.

Reminding people is not enough. They need to be provoked into thinking. Discovery does not do this. Additionally, it adds, as far I can tell, nothing new to the discussion. Star Trek says, Racial isolation is bad. If it's bad, how do we manage it, so that is less bad? You can't completely remove it from society, as there will be always those who believe in it. So, managing it is the only path. So, how do you manage it? Does Discovery say something on this? I witness the show having the leading advocates of this policy being killed. To kill is not the solution.

On PTSD, the Federation quarantines Starfleet personnel who have this condition. How does quarantining someone with this condition a worthwhile statement? This position is a step backwards, not a step forward.
 
I haven't seen any really social commentary in Discovery. Most of the bigger issues they contend with are literally dropped as soon as they come up. Lorca is not the product of a failed system, he's an otherworldly monster. Mudd is not a civilian doing his best in a time of unwanted war, he's a Klingon collaborator. Tyler is not a torture and rape victim suffering from PTSD, he's a Klingon grafted into a human. Over and over again Discovery turns real issues into mere plot points in order to not fully address their implications. Maybe we'll know what it is by season end, but at this point there is no over arching theme to the show. It's just a soap opera.
 
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...I would ask that we make a special effort to preserve this tone - this isn't the forum for discussion of current political issues, so let's keep it to Discovery's presentation of sociopolitical commentary, and keep the discussion civil.
I'm all in favor of keeping things civil, in this thread or any other. But how exactly can people discuss sociopolitical commentary without discussing actual issues? That's kinda like saying "let's talk about recipes without discussing ingredients!"...
 
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