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What do you think "Gene Roddenberry" would think about with "Discovery?"
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Where is this crap coming from? The only Trek convention I ever went to was on the day BOBW aired. Roddenberry was one of the main guests, and he said he had brought a copy of BOBW with him to be shown at the convention because he didn't want the fans to miss it. It was awesome watching it with other Trek fans.
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Gene Roddenberry would be 96 years old. In combination with his health problems and drug use (which led to his death at 70), he would not be in any position to be commenting on today's Star Trek programming.
However, as the only way to really prevent his death at an earlier date would be for him to sober up and also work on his health issues (diabetes and high blood pressure), this would likely turn The Next Generation into something else entirely, and butterfly away all the subsequent shows just by his presence and input (even if he's pushed aside by producers). The only way to make a timeline come close to our own with a living Gene Roddenberry, would be if he divorces himself from Star Trek entirely (if involuntarily), accepting royalty checks but focusing on Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, and/or fresher ideas in the meantime.
At which point, our healthy, sober Gene Roddenberry would likely be giving positive comments on DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and maybe even the Abrams films in his old age. Star Trek: Discovery too might feature a brief interview at the Roddenberry estate, with Gene, having never watched the series, giving his "approval" being flanked by his son, Rod.
However, as the only way to really prevent his death at an earlier date would be for him to sober up and also work on his health issues (diabetes and high blood pressure), this would likely turn The Next Generation into something else entirely, and butterfly away all the subsequent shows just by his presence and input (even if he's pushed aside by producers). The only way to make a timeline come close to our own with a living Gene Roddenberry, would be if he divorces himself from Star Trek entirely (if involuntarily), accepting royalty checks but focusing on Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, and/or fresher ideas in the meantime.
At which point, our healthy, sober Gene Roddenberry would likely be giving positive comments on DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and maybe even the Abrams films in his old age. Star Trek: Discovery too might feature a brief interview at the Roddenberry estate, with Gene, having never watched the series, giving his "approval" being flanked by his son, Rod.
Well that is one option. Another is to take a copy of all "Discovery" episodes back in time in which case you could get his opinion at various points of his life from childhood to the late 80's. Another option is communicating with the dead. All we have to do is somehow prove that their is life after death,were it is, how to communicate to said place and then find away to get a message and copies of the show to him specifically and then hope he can somehow send his opinion back towards us in away we can understand and convince all of us that what we have done is real and not a fancy scam to trick them.
Jason
I'm on neither the 'hating Gene' bandwagon nor the 'Genes Vision' express. The man created a successful (eventually) cult TV show, and had a hand in creating another one. That's about it. I'm grateful for that as far as it goes. His 'philosophy' that he developed on the after dinner speaking circuit in between those two achievements was very out there and a bit absurd (we would no longer grieve because we accept death as part of life) and most certainly would not make for a successful drama series without a huge team of other people pushing the envelope as far as it could go. I'd also question whether its bland monocultural beigeness actually represents that 'utopian' a future at all. I'd rather live in DS9's world than early TNG's or TMP's.
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Gene Roddenberry: kind of a sack 'o shit human being who created a cult TV show that changed the way we view technology, societal issues and what direction humanity ought to take in the future...
That's how I feel about him. He had a good idea that might have failed if more talented people didn't come in and make it work.
Jason
Roddenberry was a visionary with a very open mind. He probably predicted interstellar conflicts and galactic cold wars as well as planetary coalitions and peace. I think he'd he honored to see his legacy continued and the evolution of some of the species he created.
Just no. You realize he lifted most of the stuff in Star Trek from other sci-fi of the time. I suggest you watch Forbidden Planet.
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What would Roddenberry think? Where's my check?
I agree with the general point, just wanted to say that Stargate, although I like it, was pure action the vast majority of the time.
One addition to the list, though: Planet of the Apes. Both the original movies (though it got really weird by movies 4-5) and the 70s series.
Honestly, that series felt more "trekky" to me than most contemporary trek, despite not featuring much space travel nor aliens (unless we count the apes).
Agreed, and I constantly wonder why some people are so gleeful about Star Trek becoming Star Wars: the series.
If it's going to be all about space pew-pew, fine, but it need not be Trek. Even the name is ill-fitted for it!
Gary was kind enough to sign my leather bound 3.5 edition core rulebooks shortly before he passed. He wasn't SO very against change. He just wanted the game to stay special. And after seeing 4th Edition, he had a point. Heck, I knew he had a point then, because as much as I loved running and playing 3.5, it definitely lacked... something... that the older versions had.
Having met the gentleman in the mid 1970's, I found he was too much of a goofball for me to care at all about his opinions, regarding Star Trek or anything else.
Over the years, I've heard a lot of things about him, both good and bad. But, he created Star Trek, so that part of the good should outweigh all the bad. In the end though, he was simply a TV producer that struck gold with one of his series.
Go backa decade or two. He had mellowed out by 3.5. Some of his rants in Dragon mag are well known. A few decades after he lost control fully, he got all mellow man.
Since he liked Star Trek VI and said so just prior to his passing, I'd assume he'd like Discovery.
Very similar themes (war, reasons for war, and avoiding that war), character points (overcoming prejudice and bias, showing the viewpoints from opposed ideologies, etc) and aesthetics/feel (darker, grittier, lots of guys in makeup barking incoherently with subtitles at the bottom of the screen) are present.
Very similar themes (war, reasons for war, and avoiding that war), character points (overcoming prejudice and bias, showing the viewpoints from opposed ideologies, etc) and aesthetics/feel (darker, grittier, lots of guys in makeup barking incoherently with subtitles at the bottom of the screen) are present.
What's wrong with being a goofball? The world needs more people who just want to have fun.
Jason
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