Let's talk about the laws to live under if you are a subject of the Klingons, the Romulans or the Dominion.
What do you think are the laws like for the conquered people of the different empires in Star Trek?
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Dominion is probably the most aggressive in terms of conquering new territory, but also the most likely to leave you pretty much alone (the Karemma for example) if you behave like a good and upstanding little conquered species, conform to the demands the Dominion puts on you and you haven't particularly rubbed the Founders/Vorta the wrong way before you got conquered. Unless of course they decide you still have a particular potential to become the focal point of a rebellion in the future, or they need a species for, say, genetic experimentation/enhancement, or want to build a transgalactic highway through your planet .....
The Romulans probably have no compunctions about forcing a subjugated species into hard slave labour. I don't see the Klingons (at least the TNG-era ones) forcing subjugated species into actual slave labour, though their lot most likely will be the 'lesser jobs with low social standing in the Empire' (then again, most non-warrior Klingons seem to be held in lower esteem).
The Romulans probably have no compunctions about forcing a subjugated species into hard slave labour. I don't see the Klingons (at least the TNG-era ones) forcing subjugated species into actual slave labour, though their lot most likely will be the 'lesser jobs with low social standing in the Empire' (then again, most non-warrior Klingons seem to be held in lower esteem).
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You might be right. I mean, Kirk mentions slave labor camps when trying to convince the Organians to accept the Federation's help. However, maybe Klingon society moved beyond that by the time of Next Gen. I'm doubtful though that it would have been completely eliminated in the Klingon Empire.
I'm not sure about the Klingons using slave labor. Kor simply mentioned harsh laws and the Klingons on Organia didn't start rounding up people for labor camps.
The Klingons of the mirror universe regularly engaged in slavery, so I see no reason why those of the regular universe wouldn't do so as well.
I actually think it's MORE likely that the Klingons - of any universe - would practice slavery, more so than the Romulans or even the Dominion (although the Jem'Hadar could certainly be thought of as slaves - willing ones, yes, but still slaves).
I actually think it's MORE likely that the Klingons - of any universe - would practice slavery, more so than the Romulans or even the Dominion (although the Jem'Hadar could certainly be thought of as slaves - willing ones, yes, but still slaves).
Klingons of the Mirror Universe were also allied with the Cardassians, which most certainly was not the case in the Prime Universe.
I'm not sure. Slave labour is not about violence; it is about ruthless exploitation of those who are weaker to your own ends.
Klingons might be interested in slaughtering a 'weaker race' for battle practice. They might make slaves of conquered foes in order to humiliate them, but probably less so out of sheer 'utility maximisation' motives. The Romulans probably would to the latter, being the cold and arrogant calculators they are. So perhaps your chance of surviving a subjugation by Romulans would be higher, but your chance of ending up a slave as a result too.
Klingons might be interested in slaughtering a 'weaker race' for battle practice. They might make slaves of conquered foes in order to humiliate them, but probably less so out of sheer 'utility maximisation' motives. The Romulans probably would to the latter, being the cold and arrogant calculators they are. So perhaps your chance of surviving a subjugation by Romulans would be higher, but your chance of ending up a slave as a result too.
But wouldn't the Klingons or the Romulans need millions or billions of troops to round up entire populations?
Wouldn't it be easier to simply install a regime on the planet which answers to them?
Wouldn't it be easier to simply install a regime on the planet which answers to them?
What are the laws? We have conquered you, now you do as we say and if you don't we'll rain down destruction and terror upon you. Now hand over all your riches and objects of cultural importance, and point out your leaders so they can either become accustomed to a nice jail cell or face execution whilst the puppet we put in place will tell you all the rules, collect the rest of your wealth and make sure that you fall in line.
That's how i see it, too. It's just the term of slavery or enslavement that doesn't make sense to me when there is talk about conquest of entire civilizations in Star Trek. Individuals can be enslaved, but i think civilizations can only be controlled. Enslavement of planets is only possible if you make a slave out of every member of the society that you have conquered.
Would such a thing even be possible?
If you were to fill their skies with warships and take out a few prominent buildings as a show of force, then that might make the inhabitants think twice about opposing the new order.
Do you talk about installing a dictatorship on the planet or about enslaving everyone. I guess the people on the planet might easy to be convinced to bow to a new regime this way but how do you install labor camps and assemble the people in them, if you stay on our ship?
And if you are making their life's too harsh, a lot of people may prefer to die.
You're dominating the population, imposing your systems onto them, with someone put in place to oversee things. Worf does state in "Way of the Warrior" that the old ways of the Klingons were to kill all the leaders and impose a Governor to run things, so under them things would be very brutal.
Also, the ships would be the first sign, fill the skies with them to strike fear into the people, beam down warriors to target key locations to begin the subjugating the people, take out the leadership, and introduce the new person in charge, who tells them like it is, with streets filled with warrior and ships in the air to ensure what they say isn't questioned.
Also, the ships would be the first sign, fill the skies with them to strike fear into the people, beam down warriors to target key locations to begin the subjugating the people, take out the leadership, and introduce the new person in charge, who tells them like it is, with streets filled with warrior and ships in the air to ensure what they say isn't questioned.
By the way, i wonder how the Romulans planned to keep Vulcan with such a small amount of troops and no air support in "Unification".
How do you think they would have handled these issues?
How do you think they would have handled these issues?
Simple. They would have handled these issues by asserting that 'we will be there, entrenched, and it will be very difficult to get us out once we are.' It's in the script, therefore it's canon, and therefore it's the truth.
Joking aside though I agree with you. Trying to hold Vulcan with only slightly more than 2000 Romulan soldiers (and the Federation certain to take countermeasures) sounds nothing short of ridiculous. Either they must have had a lot more troops committed in the shadows or this never was a serious plan in the first place.
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Yes that's really silly. Wonder what the writer of this episode thought and if there is really a way for this thing to work, without additional troops, even if it seems impossible.
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