darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Actually, you need to go back to the KOTR era to see that. The Jedi of the Prequel Era are crippled compared to those Jedi, and the Council knows it (Yoda says as much at least once, as does Mace).
What do you like about the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy?
- Thread starter Plomeek Broth
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Actually, you need to go back to the KOTR era to see that. The Jedi of the Prequel Era are crippled compared to those Jedi, and the Council knows it (Yoda says as much at least once, as does Mace).
1. Palpatine/Sidious
2. Quinlan Vos
3. Anakin Skywalker
4. The Duel of the Fates in TPM
5. Palpatine v. Yoda in ROTS
6. Asajj v. Anakin in Clone Wars microseries
7. Darth Maul
8. Count Dooku v. Obi, Anakin, and Yoda in AOTC
9. Epic feel of the prequels
10. Designs of aliens, worlds, and costuming; it was a visual feast
11. Order 66
2. Quinlan Vos
3. Anakin Skywalker
4. The Duel of the Fates in TPM
5. Palpatine v. Yoda in ROTS
6. Asajj v. Anakin in Clone Wars microseries
7. Darth Maul
8. Count Dooku v. Obi, Anakin, and Yoda in AOTC
9. Epic feel of the prequels
10. Designs of aliens, worlds, and costuming; it was a visual feast
11. Order 66
All of Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith
The musical score
Ewan McGregor
Natalie Portman
The set design and special effects
Padme's back story, albeit handled a bit ham fistedly
The political maneuverings
The musical score
Ewan McGregor
Natalie Portman
The set design and special effects
Padme's back story, albeit handled a bit ham fistedly
The political maneuverings
I pretty much liked everything. I could go on and on...
1) For me, Eps1 didn't hit me at first, but later as i watched it i appreciated it even more for what it is. I guess it was just the transition to the new prequel.
2) Every film that Lucas produces just raises the bar. It has been a progressive masterpiece of CGI and sets the Standard.
3) The incredible music as someone said. So memorable and
perfect for each scene.
4) The incredible content of behind the scenes footage.
In Eps1, we see Lucas Day One in writing. 'Long time ago...etc, etc.
Then after draft of screenplay, he partners with artists to design ships, etc for almost 2 years, etc privately. Very interesting.
In Eps2, behind the scenes, can't recall just now but i know it was incredible.
Eps3, behind the scenes of showing the birth of a scene at screenplay (Lava planet fight with Obi-Wan/Anakin) to the very final post-production. You basically see how the entire scene is made. Just multiply that by 400 and you know how Lucas makes a movie.
5) Each actor/actress/creature/costumes/casting was perfect.
6) DEX rocks! (since nobody mentioned him)
1) For me, Eps1 didn't hit me at first, but later as i watched it i appreciated it even more for what it is. I guess it was just the transition to the new prequel.
2) Every film that Lucas produces just raises the bar. It has been a progressive masterpiece of CGI and sets the Standard.
3) The incredible music as someone said. So memorable and
perfect for each scene.
4) The incredible content of behind the scenes footage.
In Eps1, we see Lucas Day One in writing. 'Long time ago...etc, etc.
Then after draft of screenplay, he partners with artists to design ships, etc for almost 2 years, etc privately. Very interesting.
In Eps2, behind the scenes, can't recall just now but i know it was incredible.
Eps3, behind the scenes of showing the birth of a scene at screenplay (Lava planet fight with Obi-Wan/Anakin) to the very final post-production. You basically see how the entire scene is made. Just multiply that by 400 and you know how Lucas makes a movie.
5) Each actor/actress/creature/costumes/casting was perfect.
6) DEX rocks! (since nobody mentioned him)
That's my list, too.
I actually like the prequels quite a bit. Revenge of the Sith in particular was what a Star Wars film should be, IMO. So, a short list of what I didn't like.
-Jake Lloyd's performance. A lot of this can probably be laid on Lucas's direction.
-Jar Jar. Whose "role" in the story wasn't annoying but the unnecessarily silly characterization was.
-Any scene involving Padme and Anakin that required them to get overly mushy. I'm thinking of the early balcony scene in Episode III as the main offender. Actually, now that I think about it, Lucas is so ineffectual as a writer of romantic scenes it's a wonder you care about the main dramatic dilemma of Episode III at all.
-They dropped the whole Master Syfodyas (sp?) thing they set up in Episode II regarding the clone army. That actually had some potential, I thought.
Other than that, I'm sure I could pick out other stuff I didn't like about the films as I was watching them. That was the only stuff egregious enough to stick with me though.
It's a bonus when the Star Wars movies happen upon something deep and profound, which happens very infrequently. But I think the prequels were by-and-large top shelf popcorn entertainment. And isn't that what Star Wars is really about anyway?
-Jake Lloyd's performance. A lot of this can probably be laid on Lucas's direction.
-Jar Jar. Whose "role" in the story wasn't annoying but the unnecessarily silly characterization was.
-Any scene involving Padme and Anakin that required them to get overly mushy. I'm thinking of the early balcony scene in Episode III as the main offender. Actually, now that I think about it, Lucas is so ineffectual as a writer of romantic scenes it's a wonder you care about the main dramatic dilemma of Episode III at all.
-They dropped the whole Master Syfodyas (sp?) thing they set up in Episode II regarding the clone army. That actually had some potential, I thought.
Other than that, I'm sure I could pick out other stuff I didn't like about the films as I was watching them. That was the only stuff egregious enough to stick with me though.
It's a bonus when the Star Wars movies happen upon something deep and profound, which happens very infrequently. But I think the prequels were by-and-large top shelf popcorn entertainment. And isn't that what Star Wars is really about anyway?
I love the Prequels, and in many ways they are superior to the OT.
The world of the PT is so much more interesting... hundreds of Jedi, Sith lords, droid armies, clone armies, political conspiracy... The scope of the story is much larger, taking place on a dozen planets with the fate of the galaxy visibly in the balance rather than back-water planets. The CGI/action is of course completely superior to the OT. Nothing makes me happier than an incredible lightsaber battle! The story is just cooler with Sidious' evil master plan coming to fruition and Anakin turning evil (though this aspect was questionably handled). It also features starring roles for my two favorite characters, Yoda and Sidious.
The world of the PT is so much more interesting... hundreds of Jedi, Sith lords, droid armies, clone armies, political conspiracy... The scope of the story is much larger, taking place on a dozen planets with the fate of the galaxy visibly in the balance rather than back-water planets. The CGI/action is of course completely superior to the OT. Nothing makes me happier than an incredible lightsaber battle! The story is just cooler with Sidious' evil master plan coming to fruition and Anakin turning evil (though this aspect was questionably handled). It also features starring roles for my two favorite characters, Yoda and Sidious.
Rÿcher
Fleet Captain
Everything except the very young Anakin, Jar-Jar and the rest of the Gungans, the podracing sequence or as I like to call it, "intermission".
I loved the lightsaber sequences. I see now how Darth Vader was sort of slow with his fighting style compared with his younger self. He didn't have any legs and limited vision. Makes you kinda feel sorry for Palpatine. He went through how many apprentices looking for the strongest, got Anakin and must've been overjoyed but Obi-Wan had to go mess it up for him. Pity Darth Maul bought it on Naboo. I would have loved to see him in charge of the empire under Palpatine.
I wonder, why did Palpatine still go by his given name instead of going by his Sith name while assuming the title of Emperor?
I loved the lightsaber sequences. I see now how Darth Vader was sort of slow with his fighting style compared with his younger self. He didn't have any legs and limited vision. Makes you kinda feel sorry for Palpatine. He went through how many apprentices looking for the strongest, got Anakin and must've been overjoyed but Obi-Wan had to go mess it up for him. Pity Darth Maul bought it on Naboo. I would have loved to see him in charge of the empire under Palpatine.
I wonder, why did Palpatine still go by his given name instead of going by his Sith name while assuming the title of Emperor?
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Because that would have given his true nature away, and there would have been a general revolt right off...
*ROTS was almost as excellent as a movie as ESB. The Order 66 montage was heartbreaking and all of the action scenes not to mention Palpatine/Sidious' diabolical manipulation and betrayal of the Jedi were alone worth the price of admission.
*The one aspect of the PT that caught me COMPLETELY off guard (just when you thought Lucas couldn't think of anything original) was that the Clones were actually fighting WITH the Jedi at the beginning of and throughout the Clone Wars instead of against them as we had previously been led to believe from other SW stories. A MAJOR unexpected twist in the storyline.
*The surprise appearance of Christopher Lee in the PT as Count Dooku in the last two movies. I carefully avoided spoilers during the run up to AOTC so I had NO idea that he was going to be part of the SW franchise but I was pleasantly surprised to see him as Dooku and particularly liked how he met his tragic fate in ROTS.
*Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon. I didn't know he was going to be part of the SW franchise either (although I wish he hadn't died so soon) and he was IMHO the best character in TPM.
*Ian McDiarmid as Sidious/Palpatine. He chewed up every scene he was in. I particularly loved the scene in ROTS at the Opera where he betrays a devilish grin when talking about the untimely death of (his master) Darth Plagueis.
*Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan. He made for a VERY credible younger Obi-Wan Kenobi, especially in ROTS.
*The one aspect of the PT that caught me COMPLETELY off guard (just when you thought Lucas couldn't think of anything original) was that the Clones were actually fighting WITH the Jedi at the beginning of and throughout the Clone Wars instead of against them as we had previously been led to believe from other SW stories. A MAJOR unexpected twist in the storyline.
*The surprise appearance of Christopher Lee in the PT as Count Dooku in the last two movies. I carefully avoided spoilers during the run up to AOTC so I had NO idea that he was going to be part of the SW franchise but I was pleasantly surprised to see him as Dooku and particularly liked how he met his tragic fate in ROTS.
*Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon. I didn't know he was going to be part of the SW franchise either (although I wish he hadn't died so soon) and he was IMHO the best character in TPM.
*Ian McDiarmid as Sidious/Palpatine. He chewed up every scene he was in. I particularly loved the scene in ROTS at the Opera where he betrays a devilish grin when talking about the untimely death of (his master) Darth Plagueis.
*Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan. He made for a VERY credible younger Obi-Wan Kenobi, especially in ROTS.
Yeah, it would've been nice for there to have been some follow up in the movie, particularly at the end of AOTC, since Obi-Wan was the first one to stumble across the existence of the Clone Army in the first place. However, James Luceno's "Labyrinth of Evil" (which takes place at the end of the Clone Wars and leads into ROTS) does help fill in the blanks about the creation of the Clone Army and Dooku and Sidious' role in its creation, including why Obi-Wan was unable to find Kamino within the Jedi archives (even though it was pretty clearly hinted at in AOTC).
The John Williams scores for all three movies are absolutely spectacular, especially in ROTS. "Battle of the Heroes" is really wonderful. Ewan McGregor was great, too, again especially in ROTS. He really "got" Obi-Wan, even the younger version from TPM. He shines even more one he grows the beard. That scene before his duel with Anakin is both terrific (McGregor) and cringe-inducing (Christensen.) It jumps between Christensen whining lines like "YOU turned her against me" to McGregor completely owning the moment with "You have done yourself!" so much that it's hard to really enjoy what's actually happening on-screen. It feels like McGregor was the only actor who really flourished in the prequels (although Ian McDiarmid was close.) The biggest what-if for the PT certainly involves a director other than George Lucas, IMO.
This article explains things pretty well. It was supposed to be Sido-Dyas - a clear alter-ego for Sidious until Lucas changed his mind.
I'll try to be as fair as possible, given that I hate the PT overall.. but it's the holiday season and I'm willing to bury the hatchet in the spirirt of Life Day. 
...the sfx overall, which are a lot of fun to watch.
...the pod-race. I saw TPM a second time on the big screen just for that sequence.
...the Qui-Gonn/Obi-wan/Darth Maul fight. [though thanks to Robot Chicken I also will forever think of the janitor sweeping up the two halves of Maul at the bottom of the shaft.
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...Ewan's portrayal of Obi-wan. Heroic under the circumstances.
...having Jar-Jar be the means by which the Empire was created. Made me hope there really was someone in the GL machine after all.
..reinforcing that the real hero of the entire saga is R2-D2.
...the sfx overall, which are a lot of fun to watch.
...the pod-race. I saw TPM a second time on the big screen just for that sequence.
...the Qui-Gonn/Obi-wan/Darth Maul fight. [though thanks to Robot Chicken I also will forever think of the janitor sweeping up the two halves of Maul at the bottom of the shaft.
]...Ewan's portrayal of Obi-wan. Heroic under the circumstances.
...having Jar-Jar be the means by which the Empire was created. Made me hope there really was someone in the GL machine after all.
..reinforcing that the real hero of the entire saga is R2-D2.
And yet the PT suffers from a ridiculous case of small universe syndrome.
In Star Wars, Luke wants to leave Tatooine because it's about as dull and nowhere a part of the galaxy as you could hope to find. When we later find out he's Vader's son, it makes sense that Luke was there, with Obi-Wan conveniently nearby. Who'd look for them there?
But in the PT we discover that Vader was born and grew up there. With the bigger cities and pod races and whatnot, it's obviously not a boring backwater world, either. Vader's home planet is where his kid was safely hidden for twenty-odd years. WTF?
In the OT, we discover the connections between characters: Luke and Leia are siblings, and Vader is their father. Suddenly, in the PT, there's another significant connection that goes unmentioned and unnoticed in the OT: Vader as a little kid built C-3PO. Unbelievable though it is that a little slave kid built a sophisticated protocol/translator droid meant for diplomatic functions, I'd at least expect him to remember doing it.