What do you diehard TOS fans think of the new movie?

[T'Bonz]

PIKE: Say, why don’t you just use the famous Romulan cloaking device and destroy Vulcan and Earth without anyone knowing?
NERO: Um . . . uh . . .

 

[Valin]

PIKE: Say, why don’t you just use the famous Romulan cloaking device and destroy Vulcan and Earth without anyone knowing?
NERO: Um . . . uh . . .

NERO: I'm a miner, not a physicist.

I'm in my mid-40s and have been a Star Trek (aka TOS) fan since it went into syndication in the early 1970s.

I loved the movie. Sure, it has its flaws (Pike getting the Federation mixed up with Starfleet, for example), but it "felt" like Star Trek, more than any of the later series did.

The flares and other camera-work didn't bother me at all.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Hi, TOS fans:
Could you please post what you really feel about the new movie?

Please, only TOS fans post.

Don't get me wrong, everybody. I like all the series and I love all you guys out there, but I am reading all kinds of reactions in other posts from people who really like either TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT and some are glad the old series was changed in the movie. TOS fans may not feel this way.

Like I said, I love all you guys, but I am really curious to see what dedicated fans of the Original Series think.
Thanks so much everybody. Love ya.

So, to the true TOS fans only......What did you like or dislike about the new film?

What is a true TOS fan? One who only likes TOS, and hates everything after? I grew up with TOS, but I still like the other series and films. So I'm going to post in your thread anyway.
STXI is character-driven. Kirk's meeting Old Spock is weak. The black hole business is weak. Nero is ok. Overall its a fun film, but fails to connect emotionally in some places. A little too much of the "means to an end" style of storytelling. A present I'm calling it a B+.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

PIKE: Say, why don’t you just use the famous Romulan cloaking device and destroy Vulcan and Earth without anyone knowing?
NERO: Um . . . uh . . .

One of the few things that actually makes sense. Why would a mining ship come equipped with the RSE's most precious piece of military equipment?

Still funny, though.

 

[Noname Given]

Yeah, but aridas that's really stretching a point in the name of treknology - any bright kid watching a space show is just going to see these people sneaking around and whispering in the dark to avoid tipping off another spaceship and say "that is silly. Sound won't travel like that in space" - and even Joss "Do not ask me science stuff or I will cry" Whedon gets that much right.

Now, though, allowing for and sticking with the treknology explanation - there are four hundred people living as well as god knows how many mechanical, electronic and engineering processes going on continually inside that hull...how quiet can they be?

You know, the ONLY part of that whole sequence in BoT that made no sense was the fact they stated the crew needed to remain silent. Kirk COMPLETELY powered down the ship to make it look like space debris. Whatr tipped the Romulan ship off was when Spock accidently powered up his scanner; and the Romulan senors detected that power up. It wasn't the sound per se.

 

[Tobri]

i loved it

 

[trevanian]

PIKE: Say, why don’t you just use the famous Romulan cloaking device and destroy Vulcan and Earth without anyone knowing?
NERO: Um . . . uh . . .

One of the few things that actually makes sense. Why would a mining ship come equipped with the RSE's most precious piece of military equipment?
.

Strip mining?

 

[VulcanJedi]

I liked it, but I also didn't like it.

My take is here:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=2930255&highlight=obsession#post2930255

Just read your post and I gotta say, that's pretty much how I see it. I've said this before and I'll say it again: this movie was like an old Gold Key comic. It was Star Trek as envisioned by high-spiritted eight-year-olds playing at being Kirk and Spock in the deserted old factory where they've been forbidden to play.

Looked at another way, Star Trek finally the got the tv-to-screen treatment most properties do, like Starsky & Hutch and Wild, Wild West. Nimoy and time travel were just fig leaves.

But I still really enjoyed it--it was oddly liberating, seeing what was once, when I was a child, the high-water mark of media SF reduced to bubblegum imbecility. It was fun.

I love the Gold Key comics version of Star Trek. I think the new film was a little more mature than that, but basically you're right. I first watched TOS when I was 10 or so, so that would be about right for me, as far as my mentality and attitude towards Star Trek. I like the campiness of Trek.

 

[Messianni]

ABOARD THE USS KELVIN:
GEORGE: Whoa! A thunderstorm in space!
NERO: Hello. I am not Shinzon. But send over your captain, anyway, just like the last movie.
CAPTAIN: You bet.
TRANSPORTER: Zhoooom!
NERO: Hello, again. We are from a future so far advanced beyond your understanding that we keep spears on board.
CAPTAIN: I don’t get your point.
NERO: You do now. Hyah!
BACK ON THE KELVIN:
GEORGE: Where’s Winona?
CREWMAN: She’s not on until a few more scenes.
GEORGE: Not Ryder. I mean my wife.
CREWMAN: She’s about to give birth.
GEORGE: Oh, that’s right. That’s why I didn’t leave her at home, but insisted she come on this dangerous, dangerous mission. Oh well, I am going to ram this ship which is not the Enterprise right into that ship which is not Shinzon’s.
BOOM!
JIM KIRK: Waaah!
ON VULCAN:
BULLY: Hey, Spock. I am going to taunt you so that you beat me up.
SPOCK: Done and done.
POW!
SAREK: Hello, son. You can be whatever you want to be.
SPOCK: Wouldn’t it be more dramatic if, instead, I had to make my own way in the universe alone, without the love and support of my father, until I had so proven my abilities that I found peace within?
SAREK: That’s the old storyline. We’re giving it to Kirk.
SPOCK: Damn! Say, why did you marry mom?
SAREK: Because she’s Winona Freaking Ryder, what do you think?
SPOCK: Ah! Logical!
IOWA:
JIM KIRK: Ha haaaa! Here I am, just like Picard, zooming through Iowa’s famous desert.
POLICE: Pull over!
JIM KIRK: Oh, no, I’m headed right for one of the humongous canyons that Iowa is also so famous for.
BOOM!
JIM KIRK: Oh, no! I am hanging by my fingers on this precipice!
POLICE: What’s your name?
JIM KIRK: Jim Kirk, and you’re supposed to have sympathy for me because I’m an unhappy youth.
LATER IN IOWA:
JIM KIRK: I’m Jim Kirk and now I’m an unhappy 20-year-old.
UHURA: I’m not going to tell you my first name. There is no possible way you can ever find it out, because in the future there is no wiki, facebook, google or myspace.
JIM: Damn! Say, why are all these Starfleet people in this Iowa bar?
UHURA: Because we build Starships in Iowa these days.
JIM: I thought we just grew corn.
UHURA: You still do. Have you read the script?
POW!
PIKE: Kirk, I looked you up. You’re an angry, unbalanced, brooding genius. That’s just what Starfleet is looking for. Starfleet, and the Taliban.
JIM: No way! I will never sign up! NEVER!
NEXT DAY:
JIM: I have changed my mind. Sign me up.
BONES: Hi. My name is McCoy. I just got divorced. Have sympathy for my character.
JIM: Only if you see how angry and brooding I am.
BONE: All right. Say, all I have left are my bones.
JIM: Um . . . Okay.
BONES: Also skin. And some hair. Let’s see -- intestines, spleen-
JIM: Say, I bet you’re a doctor, aren’t you?
LATER:
JIM: Well, I am now graduating. I did it in three years, too! I am a genius. Yet I am still going to cheat. This is yet another positive character trait for an angry, brooding genius.
BONE: Yuh huh.
JIM: Excuse me. I have to go now and "study." By which I mean have strange alien sex.
BONES: What makes it strange? Because she’s green?
JIM: No, because she does it without taking her underwear off. Wow! Look at Uhura’s rib cage!
KOBAYASHI MARU TEST:
JIM: This is one good apple. Mmm! In fact, it might be symbollic of forbidden knowledge. I have discovered that I can win by changing the rules.
SPOCK: I hate you.
JIM: I hate you, too.
STARFLEET: ALERT! ALERT! Vulcan is under attack. We only have five Starships here. We need to send every one of them out, even though Vulcan is now just three minutes away and it might be wise to keep one or two here.
JIM: Wow! Does this mean that all the cadets will have to go, too? Just like in "Wrath of Khan"?
STARFLEET: Yes, but in your case only though a plot contrivance.
UHURA: Don’t send this creep! He’s all hands!
BONES: Not yet, but he will be. Take this shot! Sssssss!
ABOARD THE ENTERPRISE
PIKE: Kirk, you’re not supposed to be here! Get off my ship. Wait -- Kirk, you’re now first officer.
KIRK: What are you, Brett Favre?
PIKE: We’re on our way to Vulcan.
KIRK: No! It’s a trap!
PIKE: For no good reason, I believe you. Well, even if it is the same ship that destroyed your father’s vessel, that antique U.S.S. Kelvin held out and rammed it. There’s no way the intruder can take on FIVE modern Starships.
CHEKOV: Ve are here!
SPOCK: Look! They took out four modern Starships!
PIKE: See? And we’re the fifth and we’re still here. I told you.
NERO: Hello. I am not Shinzon. But send over your captain, anyway, just like before.
PIKE: Hmmm! The last time he did that, he killed the Kelvin’s captain. Therefore, I will go.
TRANSPORTER: ZHHHHOOOOM!
PIKE: You ain’t gonna spear me are you?
NERO: No. Even though we have now completely demolished Starfleet, and even though we have technology at least 100 years more advanced than your own, we are going to keep you alive to, oh, I guess give us some codes or passwords or something.
PIKE: You villain! I sure hope you don’t put a bug in my head.
NERO: Like in "Wrath of Khan"?
PIKE: Say, why don’t you just use the famous Romulan cloaking device and destroy Vulcan and Earth without anyone knowing?
NERO: Um . . . uh . . .
OVER VULCAN:
JIM: Vulcan’s not so bad. In fact, it’s just like Iowa. For example, here I am again, hanging by my fingertips on another precipice.
SULU: Why don’t they just shoot this sucker from orbit instead of lowering it like a fish hook?
JIM: Don’t ask questions! Don’t you want to have a sword fight?
SULU: Oh, no! Vulcan is collapsing! They must have shot red matter into its core!
JIM: Weren’t you watching? It wasn’t red matter. Winona Ryder fell down in there. She’s sucking the entire planet!
SULU: Lucky planet.
ON THE ENTERPRISE:
CHEKOV: I vill now leave my post during this crisis, contrary to all regulations, so dat I ken beam dem oop. Den I vill disappear becuz I only hef three lines and dat is dat.
TRANSPORTER: Zhhhhhoooom!
KIRK: Good work!
SPOCK: Welcome back. Now, goodbye.
ON DELTA VEGA:
KIRK: Holy crap, that bastard Vulcan shot me down here inside a Magic 8-Ball.
GARY MITCHELL: Hello, Jim. Like my contact lenses?
SPOCK: Welcome, old friend. Here, let me touch your mind. I must speak to you of red matter.
KIRK: And I must speak of you of brown matter. In my pants.
SPOCK: Our minds are one.
KIRK: Wow! All these images flashing through my mind. With narration. What a great exposition. Too bad it comes 40 minutes late. So this is really a parallel reality, huh?
SPOCK: Yes. Which means I get to grow a beard and use the Tantalus Field.
KIRK: What?
SPOCK: Never mind. Mr. Scott is marooned here.
KIRK: Like in "Relics"?
SCOTTY: Oot wee yew weall.
KIRK: Wow, and I thought Chekov talked funny. Can we go back to the old accents?
SPOCK: Go, now. I must remain here.
JIM: Why?
SPOCK: You didn’t see the rest of the ice cave. Zarabeth is back in there. Plus meat cubes!
TRANSPORTER: Zhoooom!
JIM: All riiiight! I’m in a brewery! . . . Oh., wait. It’s an engine room. I think. Mr. Scott, why is there so much plumbing on such an advanced ship?
SCOTTY: Aye, blargh, hoot. (Translated: Everyone always complains that they never see a restroom on this ship. Well, here is our sewer plant.)
CHEKOV: Veeveeveewagah. (Translated: Can I use the waterslide next?)
THE BRIDGE:
SPOCK: Wait a minute, here. Nero is incredibly advanced. How do we know that what we see is actually reality? The more I think about it, his fantastic ship just looks like a lot of over-the-top CGI.
SULU: No, Mr. Spock. It’s real. Just look towards the front of the bridge and look out the window.
SPOCK: Ah, yes. Wipers on full.
JIM: Hello, Spock. I am back. Your mom is Winona Ryder and she has a fantastic rack.
SPOCK: You dirty so and so!
POW!
JIM: I’m sorry. But now I am captain! I have taken command through duplicity and betrayal.
SPOCK: Wow, if that’s good captaining then this really is the mirror universe.
JIM: No, it’s just a reboot.
SPOCK: Cool. Then I get the first inter-racial kiss! Uhura?
UHURA: Yummy yum yum! Kirk, are you jealous?
JIM: Nope. But I’ve got bad news. You’re not going to get to second base for seven years.
TRANSPORTER: Zhoooom!
NERO: Kirk! Spock! You have come to my ship to save your captain at the end of the movie, even though I am not Shinzon and you are not Data.
JIM: How come your head is perfectly shaved, but your face is full of stubble?
CHAKOTAY: Nice tatoos, though.
SPOCK: I am taking old Spock’s paddlewheel starship and all of its red matter. Red matter, as everyone knows, is an extremely volatile, dangerous substance. That is why it can only be transported in a special ship that flips around violently.
BANG! ZOOM! POW!
EARTH:
JIM: Well, it all worked out fine.
ADMIRAL PIKE: Except here I am in a wheelchair.
JIM: Like in "The Menagerie"?
ADMIRAL PIKE: Sorta. The last two hours have been a fantasy placed in my mind by the butthead keeper. Next up: Winona Ryder.
BIGSHOT HEAD OF STARFLEET: Ensign James T. Kirk, because you were a stowaway on the Enterprise, disobeyed direct orders and led a mutiny against Commander Spock, we are giving you the Enterprise, our best ship. Congratulations! We’d serve champagne, but you’re not 21 yet.
YOUNG SPOCK: Are you my father?
OLD SPOCK: No, I am old you.
NOMAD: Kirk, are you my father?
JIM: I’m not sure. Reboot and all. Could be.
VADER: Luke, I am your father.
OLD SPOCK: Have fun, young Spock.
YOUNG SPOCK: Nice beard.
THE END.

Simply marvellous and should win sort of literary prize or something shiny.

Great stuff!

Oh, it's supposed to be funny? Hm.

 

[doubleohfive]

I loved it.

 

[Anticitizen]

As did I. Messianni should see a doctor about that missing sense of humor.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Nope - it's just not that funny if you've already seen this:

http://bbot.org/badtranscript-startrek.html

 

[Messianni]

As did I. Messianni should see a doctor about that missing sense of humor.

Nope - it's just not that funny if you've already seen this:

http://bbot.org/badtranscript-startrek.html

Exactly. I'd already read this and it was much funnier, to me. What I commented on just seemed like it was going "ooo, I'm clever!" I'll see about that doc though.

 

[Cakes488]

I thought the original series was horribly dated when I first watched it in 1991... and I was only ten years old. I'm not at all surprised that a modern day adult had the same reaction. If she thought BoT was dated, you should show her some of season three's finest.

Oh, and before anyone jumps on me... I love TOS. It is my favorite TV show of all time. Hell, I love that silly old show far more than any healthy person should love a TV show.

Well of course it's dated...it was made in 1967...knowing that info should excuse any dated-ness..... but the question is...is it still good... is it still relevant..., do the stories still work......do you think it's holding up well or do you think it only holds up for moments, scenes, sometimes an episode...but on the whole it's weathering time's passage not very successfully.

So you agree that it's not holding up well with the passage of time? You agree with that?

I think Dennis makes some interesting points, even if I don't agree with all of them. On the other hand, Cakes488's replies are more of the "Star Trek: Love it of leave it" variety of which I do NOT agree with at all, and the cheap shots about "getting out more" are tacky and uncalled for.

Yes he does make some intesting points...at times....and don't be offended by my little remarks in that post....come on that was nothing... friggin tame....are you kidding me? I can do much better at insulting than that...so don't judge me on that get out more thing -- I know I can offend you much better than that! I know I can!!!

But I have no problem with people making fun of TOS or nitpicking etc.......but it depends on the way it's done... is it done with love or malice....it's the latter with Dennis....and there is like venom with him when he talks about TOS (some of the time)...... which I can't understand.

Especially since Dennis is actually engaging with the issue in a reasoned manner rather than making pronuncements from on-high. I'm enjoying this last set of posts--agreeing with a bit, disagreeing with a bit, but enjoying them a lot.

Besides, anyone who knows Dennis knows that TOS is far and away his favorite Trek series. He's just not the type to be blinded by love.

Whatever...I'm not part of the Dennis fan club...and just about every post he makes comes from his "on-high" mount...and everybody let's him get away with it......I think you're all intimidated by him with his fancy schmancy vocabulary and snooty sentences....not me!

And honestly you say this Dennis loves TOS...really...?? Really...??? Well with fans like him...... who the hell needs haters?!!!

Once again he said this that I cut and pasted below that pissed me off -- so you all agree with this statement huh....? Poppycock! Emphasis on Cock!!!

Star Trek TOS holds up for moments, for scenes, sometimes for episodes, but on the whole is weathering time's passage much less successfully.

 

[Chess Piece Face]

I loved it and am looking forward to brand new adventures/

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Especially since Dennis is actually engaging with the issue in a reasoned manner rather than making pronuncements from on-high. I'm enjoying this last set of posts--agreeing with a bit, disagreeing with a bit, but enjoying them a lot.

Besides, anyone who knows Dennis knows that TOS is far and away his favorite Trek series. He's just not the type to be blinded by love.

Whatever...I'm not part of the Dennis fan club...and just about every post he makes comes from his "on-high" mount...and everybody let's him get away with it......I think you're all intimidated by him with his fancy schmancy vocabulary and snooty sentences....not me!

And honestly you say this Dennis loves TOS...really...?? Really...??? Well with fans like him...... who the hell needs haters?!!!

Once again he said this that I cut and pasted below that pissed me off -- so you all agree with this statement huh....? Poppycock! Emphasis on Cock!!!

Star Trek TOS holds up for moments, for scenes, sometimes for episodes, but on the whole is weathering time's passage much less successfully.

He's critical, that's for sure, and he enjoys getting a rise out of folks. But I've often "called him on it," as have many others. (Indeed, he once used a flame of mine as his "Location" handle for a couple of weeks. I could not help but be touched.) We have history and it's not pretty--I've called things he's said "bullshit" and he's called things I've said "idiotic."

But this time (as much as I viscerally sympathize with you), I just don't see it. For all that I've said above, Dennis is also an atsute critic when he actually deigns to engage with us hoi polloi. I may not agree with everything he says in that mode but I appreciate the thought and perspective that goes into it.

In short, don't let him get to you. (Easier said, I know...) It's just a tv show.

 

[Mallory]

Dennis may not always be right (God knows I disagree with him on a lot of things outside of Trek), but when it comes to Star Trek I generally find myself in agreement with him.

Except for his Top 10 episodes list of course.

 

[aridas sofia]

Star Trek TOS holds up for moments, for scenes, sometimes for episodes, but on the whole is weathering time's passage much less successfully.

Cakes, I consider Dennis to be my friend. I disagree with his opinion above. But I also know of no one in this world that I think loves TOS as much as he does. And believe me, I know a few folks that love TOS. I think he sees what he sees and isn't given to self-delusion to pretend he sees otherwise. Honesty is a virtue, and it might be best to respect it as such.

However wrongheaded it may be at times.

 

[Gepard]

Star Trek TOS holds up for moments, for scenes, sometimes for episodes, but on the whole is weathering time's passage much less successfully.

Weird. That's how I feel about the new movie. It really did recapture the spirit of TOS. Huh.

 

[Messianni]

Star Trek TOS holds up for moments, for scenes, sometimes for episodes, but on the whole is weathering time's passage much less successfully.

Weird. That's how I feel about the new movie. It really did recapture the spirit of TOS. Huh.

It's been out for three weeks, how is it not "weather time's passage" exactly?