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What did people think of the Deathly Hallows? (spoilers)

Of course it has nothing to do with Anakin. In HP's world, Anakin is prolly a character no Magic-user even knows of, maybe even to Harry and Hermione, who were in school when TPM came out. The comparison was used to explain the kind of reasoning that JKR might have used in subjecting Harry to all she did. In RL, sadly, insanely abusive conditions can persist for years/decades, but you are correct in that Harry's living conditions would called down the police eventually--in RL. Dumbledore would never actually say 'It Toughened You Up' - to him it was a dice roll in a desperate situation, and it speaks to the darker, more complete view of him we later see. JKR would never have DD say all that, because an author must needs put their characters through situations that chill the soul. There can be no real justification for the Dursleys, only a literary one. The Harry we saw chose to gain from this admittedly obscene hardship, and not let it make him another kind of monster or enervate him. Look to another version of your own avatar--taking a 'should never have happened' situation and using it to actually move up in the ranks of the DCU power-brokers. That the Dursley situation was absurd is a given, and McGoncall could have easily called them the worst sort of people, period, and not been too far off. They were a neccesary evil, the sand in the oyster's shell, if you will.
 
This entire thread just reminded me that there is nothing, nothing, nothing in the world that is so good and beautiful and well-written/acted/drawn/whatever that you can't find a thread full of people willing to tear it down and pronounce it as worthless crap.

I'd hate to see what would have happened to Leonardo da Vinci's work if the Internet had been around in those days.
 
I just watched Sorcerer's Stone last night, and right there in the very first scene Dumbledore says very clearly that the Dursleys are the only family Harry has left, and that that blood connection is necessary to augment the protection spell left by his mother. He is there because it is the only place where he's safe from Voldemort's followers, who would presumably still be trying to kill him. The unpleasantness that is the Dursleys is a regrettable but necessary evil.
 
The way Harry was treated at the Dursley's would result in the police and children's services being called in real life. Vernon and Petunia would be thrown in jail. I've seen cases even less severe that resulted in jail time in the local paper, and there is no public outcry about the Children's Services overreating, the public outcry was disgust over the parents.

The problem with the Dursleys is that Rowling began the series in a completely fanciful, impossible way which is fine for a young children's book. She took a bold step and tried to make it more serious and emotionally realistic.

She should have just moved away from the beginning and ignored it. She certainly shouldn't have had Dumbledore bring it up and try to justify it.

The result of Harry coming out of the Dursley's with the emotional result we see is not at all realistic. This treatment is illegal for a reason. Even assuming that Harry is resiliant or has some kind of magical love protection from his mother that protects him from child abuse, the behaviour can't be justified.

Treating Harry like that on purpose so that he doesn't let his "power" go to his head is obscene. If the books actually had Dumbledore saying this I'd probably have thrown them out after OotP.

Dumbledore, and through him, Rowling, doesn't say that, imply that or believe that. They are surprised and impressed that Harry came out of it in as good shape as he was. They don't think it was proper, or beneficial.

Which just confirms that Dumbledore dumped Harry off at an abusive home and never came back to check if he was being well cared for. This is the point we're making, and sorry, it has nothing to do with Anakin Skywalker.

I can't think of much more to add, except that, realistically, DD and Minerva (at a minimum) would be facing charges of "aiding and abetting".
 
That the Dursley situation was absurd is a given, and McGoncall could have easily called them the worst sort of people, period, and not been too far off. They were a neccesary evil, the sand in the oyster's shell, if you will.

The "Dursley situation" was obscene. If that "sand" was "necessary" for the wizarding world to be saved, then the wizarding world didn't DESERVE to be saved.

Which brings up the OTHER big logic bomb in Rowling: how Harry wins. Rowling leads him around by the nose like a stupid idiot time and again until SHE decides to give him some item or piece of knowledge to allow him to win. Nothing Harry learns or does actually allows him to take an active part in his own victory.

And she had the seeds of how he SHOULD win all laid out: Harry befriends house elves. Harry is polite to goblins. Harry gets the respect of centaurs. Harry defends the muggleborn.

THAT is where his victory SHOULD have come from: his ability to rally the disaffected of the wizarding world to common cause. To unite them under one banner to not only defeat Voldemort, but the entire sick, morally depraved society that the wizarding world was.
 
I just watched Sorcerer's Stone last night, and right there in the very first scene Dumbledore says very clearly that the Dursleys are the only family Harry has left, and that that blood connection is necessary to augment the protection spell left by his mother. He is there because it is the only place where he's safe from Voldemort's followers, who would presumably still be trying to kill him. The unpleasantness that is the Dursleys is a regrettable but necessary evil.

Bullshit.

DD could have put him with ANY "light" family under Fidelius with DD himself as secret keeper. He would have been perfectly safe then. It was good enough for Headquarters for years.
 
I just watched Sorcerer's Stone last night, and right there in the very first scene Dumbledore says very clearly that the Dursleys are the only family Harry has left, and that that blood connection is necessary to augment the protection spell left by his mother. He is there because it is the only place where he's safe from Voldemort's followers, who would presumably still be trying to kill him. The unpleasantness that is the Dursleys is a regrettable but necessary evil.

Bullshit.

DD could have put him with ANY "light" family under Fidelius with DD himself as secret keeper. He would have been perfectly safe then. It was good enough for Headquarters for years.

They tried Fidelius before. Didn't really work too well. What if someone had hit Dumbledore with the Imperius curse?

I do agree with you that the Wizarding World is a fundamentally sick political culture. Rowling seems to be implying that change is incremental, with Harry and Co. gradually making it into a more equitable society after defeating Voldemort, but I tend to agree that Harry should have been rallying the entire oppressed masses of the Wizarding World against Voldemort.

In fact, I'd go one step further and argue that the thing about Wizarding society that ultimately keeps producing Dark Wizards like Voldemort and Grindelwald is the very foundation of Wizarding society: Their decision to segregate themselves from Muggles and to keep their existence secret. Wizarding society is fundamentally built upon lies and oppression. If I had been Rowling, I would have tried to find a way to tie in the use of the Deathly Hallows in defeating Voldemort to the exposure of the Wizarding world to the Muggle world and their reunification.
 
Rowling has said that the split between the worlds was permanent, and, in terms of the WW's problems, the the "non-magicals are scum" group's existence predates them going into hiding; Slytherin, for example. If anything, one gets the impression that attitudes towards Muggles have been gradually liberalizing over the years.

I was personally glad that Harry and co. didn't magically (heh) solve all wizard society's problems by the end of year seven; the implication that the Dumbledorian view will continue to gather strength works better (now, in the case of the epilogue, that might have been something that could have been hinted at more).
 
I enjoyed The Deathly Hallows for the most part, but I got the impression that Harry's success relied on too many fortuitous coincidences. Also, the book would have been much better without the cheesy epilogue.
 
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