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What Countries Have You Visited & How Would You Describe Them? redux

funny coincidence :) My brother lived in Makati for a few years and in later in Santa Rosa - both not very far from Cavite City.
I heard that many naturalized Americans who visited the Phillippines had huge administrational problems re-entering the US under both Bushes. Is it worse now under Trump?

While I can't speak for myself, my oldest sister who is not yet a U.S. citizen frequently visits the Philippines, at least once every year. Her oldest son who's in the merchant marines is currently staying there with his wife, and they're expecting their first child. My mom and dad, both American nationals, have had no problem going back and forth to the old country. They're getting old now and it's getting harder for them to travel.

You may have heard of the current president, Duterte, who's notorious for hunting down drug dealers to try to rid the country of criminal elements. I honestly don't agree with his administration's draconian methods, though many Filipinos appear to support his stance.
 
Hunting down drug dealers seems a good idea to me. I'd never touch that stuff (I dislike not being in control of my body and mind) but I've seen close friends quite literally losing their minds and finally killing themselves by using comparatively harmless substances. I shudder to think what hard drugs might do to the brain.
Also, the Philippines depend very much on tourism and that requires safety for the visitors. I think that's very likely the main reason for cracking down on crime so determinedly. In Eastern Bavaria, along the Czech border, we have a very similar prob with Crystal Meth. It's being smuggled over the border in huge amounts and is slowly but surely starting to have an impact on tourism. As the mountains are unsuitable for farming, people here are dependent on tourism for an income.
 
You may have heard of the current president, Duterte, who's notorious for hunting down drug dealers to try to rid the country of criminal elements. I honestly don't agree with his administration's draconian methods, though many Filipinos appear to support his stance.

Hunting down drug dealers seems a good idea to me.

Really? I admit I am against the death penalty just in general, but I would have thought that even those who supported government executions for criminals would still be in favour of due process. And not killing children. Regardless of how one might feel about drugs themselves, sending out police forces to deliberately gun down suspected dealers (and users!) doesn't seem to be to be an overly justifiable position.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/philippines
 
Really? I admit I am against the death penalty just in general, but I would have thought that even those who supported government executions for criminals would still be in favour of due process. And not killing children. Regardless of how one might feel about drugs themselves, sending out police forces to deliberately gun down suspected dealers (and users!) doesn't seem to be to be an overly justifiable position.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/philippines

Exactly. The guy is a maniac and I don't know how such a government leader gets away with the sanctioned execution of presumed criminals. He's a freakin' despot. This is one of the reasons I haven't gone back there. But it really boils down to the fact that all my family members live here in the U.S., and I don't have any association with relatives or friends abroad (except via Facebook).
 
^^ I very much agree with you, Avro. I am strictly against death penalty. No European country has it anymore (in fact, we consider the custom archaic, barbaric and uncivilized) and thus the thought that anyone might use it never occurred to me.
What I am for is to hunt these criminals, arrest them, bring them to a law court, get them properly sentenced, and imprison them for some years. That's how we do it over here and that was what I was thinking of when I said hunting them down sounded good to me.

Seems we both fell prey to a cultural misunderstanding, with both of us not taking into account that other countries have different customs.

As for killing children - I don't have information about the Phillippine government's actions but if we forget about them for a moment isn't killing children and adults the very thing drug dealers do in the long run? And each of these dealers kills hundreds.
 
I live in Southern California, US, but unlike most Southern California residents, I've never once set foot in Mexico (the closest I came was once, decades ago, when my parents and I were headed for either Sea World or the San Diego Zoo, and made a wrong turn that took us almost to the border crossing).

I've been to Canada four times. Twice, in childhood, day-trips to Estevan, SK, while visiting my dad's family in Crosby, ND. Once, a little over a decade ago, catching an Alaska cruise in Vancouver, BC. And once, last year, taking the train from Vancouver to Toronto, with a 2-day layover in Winnipeg, for my fall vacation.

My general impression is that the "Friendly Canadian" stereotype is true. And that as much as Amtrak needs friends in Congress, VIA Rail Canada is in far greater need of friends in Parliament.

And I really liked Winnipeg.

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Never been to the Philippines. I don't generally approve of capital punishment, (nor of retributive "justice" in general), but once every generation or so, somebody shows up who, simply by remaining alive, presents a danger to more people than can adequately be protected. And in the U.S., we have the Attainder and Ex Post Facto clauses in the Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 3) that effectively make it impossible to execute such a person unless a death penalty law exists for the crime he or she was convicted of, at the time it was committed. But we need to have enough obstacles to capital punishment that it can never be imposed purely for the sake of vengeance. And certainly not simply for the sake of removing "troublemakers," let alone removing them extrajudicially.

As to recreational drugs, I'm with "rhubarbodendron"; I've never indulged in, or approved of, recreational pharmaceuticals of any kind. The very few times I've been even slightly buzzed (once or twice from strong prescriptions, when in extreme pain, and once from accidentally grabbing the wrong spoon, and downing a triple-dose of dextromethorphan cough syrup), I found the whole sensation utterly revolting.

But that said, I will note that of the four biggest "killer" drugs, i.e., the four that have, throughout human history, have caused the most morbidity, three of them are also the three most addictive, all three of them physiologically addictive, with both anecdotal evidence and a known mechanism for inducing tolerance, dependence, and withdrawal. The "odd man out" is cocaine (all its various forms taken together): very dangerous, with the potential to cause injury and death by itself, but not physiologically addictive. Out of the three most addictive drugs, two of them, surprisingly, are also the two biggest "gateway" drugs, the two drugs most likely to lead to other, unrelated drugs. The odd man out here is opiates, also considered as a family: they generally lead only to stronger opiates. Of the two biggest gateway drugs, both of which are highly addictive killers, both are perfectly legal in the U.S. and most of the rest of the world, so long as you've reached a certain specified age, both of them have made health claims, and both of them have been so completely socially acceptable that refusing, without obvious cause, to permit their addicts to indulge their addictions was considered socially unacceptable. One of them, nicotine, is slowly losing its social acceptability; the other, ethanol, still occasionally makes health claims.
 
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And that as much as Amtrak needs friends in Congress, VIA Rail Canada is in far greater need of friends in Parliament.

Tell me about it. That comment is an understatement :D The commuter rail system is almost non-existent at this point, and in certain cases, they're even pulling up lengths of track.
 
Tell me about it. That comment is an understatement :D The commuter rail system is almost non-existent at this point, and in certain cases, they're even pulling up lengths of track.
Yes. During my Fall vacation, as soon as I realized that completely unreasonable and unjustified delays were a fact of life on the Canadian, and that the host railroads were delaying it with complete impunity, I shared that observation with quite a few VIA Rail Canada employees, and every single one of them was in complete and enthusiastic agreement with me. (And I don't think they were just being friendly, either.)
That said, there was a bit of culture shock at the fact that (1) coach passengers didn't have access to any of the full-service dining cars, (2) sleeping car passengers didn't have access to the counter-service food car in the coach section, and (3) there are multiple sleeping car classes, and the basic sleeping car passengers only have access to the boat-tail observation car at certain off-peak hours. The closest thing Amtrak had to that was (until they were retired a few months ago) the "Pacific Parlour" first-class lounge cars on the Coast Starlight.

The food, by the way, is excellent on VIA Rail Canada. If an Amtrak full-service dining car is like a Marie Callender's or a Mimi's, the dining cars on the Canadian were like cruise ship food: gourmet selections, with the menu changing every day.
 
It's also a very expensive trip. Most wouldn't be able to afford it by usual standards. I feel rather nostalgic when it comes to train travel. I think the last time I was on a train was in the late 80's, and I remember the trips fondly. Eventually VIA started reducing their services and now we're lucky to see one passenger train a week if that. My city used to be a pretty big deal when it came to came to trains, and it still is when it comes to freight, but while we used to have a fairly nice station, they've now reduced to picking up passengers at a junction.

I tend to look at Amtrak longingly, because while they may be having problems of their own, at least they appear to still offer service regularly. And then I look at Europe with their high-speed trains, and I think, "Wow, where did we go wrong?" It's almost as if Canada has completely given up on rail service while Europe continues to improve it. And I still think that rail service, given the chance, can be an efficient and effective way of travel.

Those were really interesting observations. Thanks for sharing them. I hope you've had a great trip :) I do remember the observation lounges.
 
^^ I very much agree with you, Avro. I am strictly against death penalty. No European country has it anymore (in fact, we consider the custom archaic, barbaric and uncivilized) and thus the thought that anyone might use it never occurred to me.
What I am for is to hunt these criminals, arrest them, bring them to a law court, get them properly sentenced, and imprison them for some years. That's how we do it over here and that was what I was thinking of when I said hunting them down sounded good to me.

Seems we both fell prey to a cultural misunderstanding, with both of us not taking into account that other countries have different customs.
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It's not a "custom" it's one man's war on drugs that involves the open hunting down and killing of dealers and users by both police forces and vigilante groups.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/16/philippines-police-bloodiest-night-duterte-war-drugs
 
What I am for is to hunt these criminals, arrest them, bring them to a law court, get them properly sentenced, and imprison them for some years. That's how we do it over here and that was what I was thinking of when I said hunting them down sounded good to me.

Ah, OK, my apologies then. The way it was phrased, it sounded like you were agreeing with Duterte's methods, which I took exception to. Sorry.

I am strictly against death penalty. No European country has it anymore (in fact, we consider the custom archaic, barbaric and uncivilized) and thus the thought that anyone might use it never occurred to me.

We don't have the death penalty here anymore, either. But there are still a number of Canadians who support it, and would like to see it reinstated. (I am not one of that number, though.)

And I really liked Winnipeg.

I don't think I have ever seen those particular words in that particular order before. (Be glad it was your fall, not your winter, vacation! :p)

The food, by the way, is excellent on VIA Rail Canada. If an Amtrak full-service dining car is like a Marie Callender's or a Mimi's, the dining cars on the Canadian were like cruise ship food: gourmet selections, with the menu changing every day.

I've never been on the train you described, but my limited experience with VIA food is nowhere near that. (Of course, when I take the train, I'm always in coach.) And don't get me started on the coffee. I presume they also use it to lubricate their engine parts.
 
I don't think I have ever seen those particular words ["And I really liked Winnipeg"] in that particular order before. (Be glad it was your fall, not your winter, vacation!
What's not to like? I was there for two days, and could barely scratch the surface of the museums.
 
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It was a joke, mostly based on the reputation of their winters. They don't call it "Winterpeg" for nothing.

Other than that, I'm sure Winnipeg is a fine city. (Although my understanding is that they do have a problem with murder/violent crime.)
 
that's sadly the case in most big cities and in many small ones, too.
Are winters there really that bad? It's a rather large city and these are usually far warmer than the surrounding area (lots of warm exhaust fumes, warm air from buildings, houses shielding off the wind etc.) plus there are 2 rivers to heat the city up in winter. I live in a small town (abt. 25,000 inhabitants) but even there it's always 5° warmer than out in the open country.
 
And don't get me started on the coffee. I presume they also use it to lubricate their engine parts.


I've never heard of that one :rommie: Of course, it's entirely possible that with the Canadian being touted as luxury travel, that the food would be better than their average.

As for Winnipeg winters, the winters there are legendary. I don't even live there and hear about how bad it is all the time. A lot of it has to do with how flat the surroundings are, with nothing like mountains to shield the wind.
 
that's sadly the case in most big cities and in many small ones, too.

True, but in this particular case, I meant moreso than other comparable Canadian cities. They were the "Murder Capital of Canada" for a number of years in a row a little while back, and my understanding is they're still near the top of the national list in a couple different forms of violent crime.

I've never heard of that one :rommie: Of course, it's entirely possible that with the Canadian being touted as luxury travel, that the food would be better than their average.

You're probably right. It's also possible they may have improved in recent years. I don't take the train that often, but I learned a while back to always make sure I leave enough time to pop into Timmie's before boarding! :)

Are winters there really that bad? It's a rather large city and these are usually far warmer than the surrounding area (lots of warm exhaust fumes, warm air from buildings, houses shielding off the wind etc.) plus there are 2 rivers to heat the city up in winter. I live in a small town (abt. 25,000 inhabitants) but even there it's always 5° warmer than out in the open country.

As for Winnipeg winters, the winters there are legendary. I don't even live there and hear about how bad it is all the time. A lot of it has to do with how flat the surroundings are, with nothing like mountains to shield the wind.

Same here, I don't live there either, but am just going on reputation. Since I actually kinda hate winter, it's certainly not on my list of things to try to experience first-hand! :)

I know I've seen someone from Winnipeg on the board, but I can't remember who. I don't think I've ever seen them in Misc though. It would be interesting to hear the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
 
I was born in Winnipeg but moved when I was four, so I have no memory of the winters. I think Calgary has AWFUL winter weather. It’s one of two things I hate about Calgary: long horrible winters and the stupid Stampede!
 
Speaking of Amtrak, can anyone recommend a good train trip in Canada or the West Coast of the U.S.? I've always wanted to travel by train (and while I live in the SF Bay Area, BART doesn't count).
 
and the stupid Stampede!

:wah: ;)

srsly, I know it's not for everybody, but I wasn't kidding when I said the Stampede was some of the most fun I've had in ages. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I wish I could do the Stampede EVERY year!

(Unfortunately I couldn't get there in time for the parade that opens the whole thing up, but that was the same week as July 4th and I wasn't allowed to take that week off from work. #firstworldproblems )
 
My dislike of the Stampede isn’t really about the Stampede itself but rather how busy downtown becomes for 10 days. The trains are always crowded. Drunk people and children everywhere. It annoys me. Also I’m not into the whole cowboy thing either.

Two years after I started working downtown I began taking time off during the Stampede and it made such a difference.
 
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