What canon would you like to have seen broken in Trek?

[SFRabid]

Face it, breaking canon has happened since episode three of TOS. What canon would you have liked to see broken and why?

I would like to break the notion set early in TOS that somehow the Federation had a long war with the Romulans yet never saw one. Somehow even Spock was surprised to see that Romulans look like Vulcans. I would like to have seen Enterprise take on the Romulan war, but I don't know how they could ever pull it off in a good way without humans or even Vulcans ever seeing a Romulan. At some point you are going to blow up a ship and beam aboard a carcass to study, or overrun a planet, or have some other species gather information, or negotiate a treaty with at least the use of video. But to have the war and never know what Romulans look like?

 

[urbandk]

sure i'll +1 that one.

 

[Pinkle]

I just would have liked to have seen Troi and Riker get married a lot sooner. Although I suppose their complicated relationship was all part of the fun or whatever...

 

[captcalhoun]

I would like to break the notion set early in TOS that somehow the Federation had a long war with the Romulans yet never saw one. Somehow even Spock was surprised to see that Romulans look like Vulcans. I would like to have seen Enterprise take on the Romulan war, but I don't know how they could ever pull it off in a good way without humans or even Vulcans ever seeing a Romulan. At some point you are going to blow up a ship and beam aboard a carcass to study, or overrun a planet, or have some other species gather information, or negotiate a treaty with at least the use of video. But to have the war and never know what Romulans look like?

battles could've been fought where the ships were completely destroyed and no remains were left. plus which, who's going to fart around beaming aboard dead bodies when they're in a pitched battle? after the battle, they were probably more concerned with withdrawing to repair the damage to the ships and treating their own injured. as for planet-side battles, there's nothing to say they set foot on a planet to fight. it could've been solely space battles, which would make sense about not taking prisoners. also, anyone who DID see a Romulan in a planetary battle could've been killed before they could tell anyone what they saw.

 

[Anwar]

The way they described the war, there WAS fighting on planets which only makes the idea that neither side ever saw the other even more ridiculous.

 

[Tachyon]

Death to the Chakotay/Seven pairing.

 

[kythe]

Regarding the Romulan war -

Another scene that doesn't jive with the whole "not seeing each other" aspect is the visual communication that the Romulan Commander established at the end of "Balance of Terror".

We know that the Enterprise was able to sneak a peek at the bridge of the Romulan ship without their knowledge by intercepting some of their code. However, at the end the Romulan Commander intentionally contacted them to give his final last words to Kirk before he self-destructed his ship. This allowed a moving scene so the audience could better understand Romulan ways, but it was a very poor tactical strategy for a Commander who greatly valued secrecy. It isn't consistant with a desire to keep their identity unknown.

 

[Jeyl]

Death to the Chakotay/Seven pairing.

There was a Chakotay/Seven pairing? Oh, yes! The last episode that went no where and did nothing. My mistake.

.........should have been Seven/Janeway.

 

[Danoz]

Death to the Chakotay/Seven pairing.

There was a Chakotay/Seven pairing? Oh, yes! The last episode that went no where and did nothing. My mistake.

.........should have been Seven/Janeway.

That didn't bother me too much, seeing Seven rediscover her humanity with a natural "crush" wasn't so much a "pairing" as just a progression with Seven's character. This is something Christie Golden handled well in the Voyager (novel) relaunch.

 

[urbandk]

The way they described the war, there WAS fighting on planets which only makes the idea that neither side ever saw the other even more ridiculous.

maybe all the romulan soldiers wore helmets to conceal their top secret identity

they should have had some butterfly from the future time travel back before enterprise and flap its wings so that we could have dispensed with all this BOT continuity.

 

[JiNX-01]

Face it, breaking canon has happened since episode three of TOS. What canon would you have liked to see broken and why?

I would like to break the notion set early in TOS that somehow the Federation had a long war with the Romulans yet never saw one. Somehow even Spock was surprised to see that Romulans look like Vulcans. I would like to have seen Enterprise take on the Romulan war, but I don't know how they could ever pull it off in a good way without humans or even Vulcans ever seeing a Romulan. At some point you are going to blow up a ship and beam aboard a carcass to study, or overrun a planet, or have some other species gather information, or negotiate a treaty with at least the use of video. But to have the war and never know what Romulans look like?

I'm OK with the idea that the adversaries never saw each other ... but I thought it was idiotic that the allies never saw each other, either.

A few of my canon issues:

In the dreaded Final Frontier movie we see the birth of Spock and his father looks at him and says disapprovingly, "so human." If he thinks that's a bad thing, why did he marry one us? Sheesh.

I hate the idea that we will hunt whales to their extinction.

Marshmellons. Sorry, NO.

Sybok. NOOOOOOOO!!!

No Denobulan Doctor on the NX-01. Have John Billingsley play a human doc who actually loses patients.

Don't let a crew member just vanish into thin air without any on-screen acknowledgement. See: Cutler.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I never had a problem with no one ever seeing a Romulan until Kirk faced them. The Romulans were always secretive and mysterious, and it was simply "their way" to self-destruct rather than allow themselves or any of their technology to be captured by an enemy.

The only things I would like stricken from canon would be phase pistols/cannons and photonic torpedoes. I thought the plasma weapons and spatial torpedoes NX-01 originally started off with were fine and really made it a challenge for the heroes to beat bad guys with superior weapons. When NX-01 got equipped with the newer weapons, I thought it was about a century or so too soon and just made for an easier way out for the ship to get out of a tight jam...

And Picard bald as a young man in "Nemesis." Not only does this contradict several TNG episodes, it was done purely because TPTB thought that audiences might be confused if they showed [Tom Hardy] as a young Picard with hair while Shinzon was bald...

 

[crusher]

Tachyon said "Death to the Chakotay/Seven pairing. "

I agree big time.

 

[Anwar]

Well, if it's so important that no one knew what the Romulans looked like you can just think that they used Remans as their ground soldiers all the time or something.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Well, if it's so important that no one knew what the Romulans looked like you can just think that they used Remans as their ground soldiers all the time or something.

I think they did exactly that.

And here's one bit of canon I'd love to see not only broken, but smashed to bits, pulverized and vaporized: This stupid ridiculous "no money in the Federation" bullshit.

 

[miraclefan]

Well, if it's so important that no one knew what the Romulans looked like you can just think that they used Remans as their ground soldiers all the time or something.

I think they did exactly that.

And here's one bit of canon I'd love to see not only broken, but smashed to bits, pulverized and vaporized: This stupid ridiculous "no money in the Federation" bullshit.

^I agree 100 percent! I ALWAYS thought that ''no money'' in the future idea was CRAP from the very begining!

 

[Anwar]

I think you under-estimate the advent of the replicator. That sort of thing WOULD seriously negate money.

Problem is, we're so dependent on stuff that we can't imagine that kind of world and find it scary because it makes so much of how we live obsolete.

 

[SFRabid]

And here's one bit of canon I'd love to see not only broken, but smashed to bits, pulverized and vaporized: This stupid ridiculous "no money in the Federation" bullshit.

Yes, especially when they go to a planet and use credits to buy stuff. That leaves you thinking "do they or don't they?"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think you under-estimate the advent of the replicator. That sort of thing WOULD seriously negate money.

No, not really. Replicators aren't a cure-all for everything. They require energy, raw matter, and maintenance to operate. And not everybody has, or even wants, a replicator. How do you think the Picard family made a living, since they refused to have one? They didn't just give away bottles of wine for free.

 

[Havri]

Even if the Romulans didn't use Remans as ground soldiers, they could still have used armor to conceal their appearance, like the Breen did. And any enemy soldier who got around the armor was probably made a top priority.

I'm OK with the idea that the adversaries never saw each other ... but I thought it was idiotic that the allies never saw each other, either.

What allies? You mean the Klingons? Who said the Klingons never saw the Romulans, or are you talking about something else?

I wish they hadn't given the Romulans those ridiculous forehead ridges. I'm fine with the Klingon ones -- in fact I think they look much more Klingon with their 'new' foreheads then they did in TOS, it makes them seem more menacing and warlike. But in my opinion, the Romulan ridges don't look all that menacing at all in most cases and they really should look like Vulcans if they've only been a seperate species for two thousand years.