What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?

[Farscape One]

It occurred to me that the Yamato was lost with all hands in the second season of TNG; however, Captain Keogh of the Odyssey offloaded all families and non essential personnel before taking the ship into the Gamma Quadrant, thereby saving several hundred lives.

What made Varley even worse was Picard offered to take some non-essential personnel aboard, but he said no and it would be 'premature', despite just a few seconds earlier he told Picard he lost 18 people from a shuttlebay forcefield failure.

You already lost 18 of your crew to a computer failure, and you say you worry about losing more than a maintenance crew, but you don't take an offer from an old friend to offload as many civilians as possible? Very, very poor judgement.

 

[cooleddie74]

Many Starfleet Captains are pretty lousy at the whole judgment thing.

 

[fireproof78]

Many Starfleet Captains are pretty lousy at the whole judgment thing.

Most Starfleet captains go, "I got this."


Spoiler alert: they didn't have it.

 

[Atomic_Monkey]

Because I'm new to fandom I'm not sure if this is unorthodox, but I really dislike the Enterprise-B / Excelsior. I think it's blocky and ungainly.

 

[Takeru]

Well, the original premise with Voyager was that they were cut off from the Federation in a ship which wasn't really suited to be on its own like that. Understandable why production would design a smaller ship for such a show.

Yes, and TNG was supposed to be about a ship on a mission outside of federation space for two decades. But I'm talking about the shows we got, not the ones they originally intended to make.

 

[XCV330]

Because I'm new to fandom I'm not sure if this is unorthodox, but I really dislike the Enterprise-B / Excelsior. I think it's blocky and ungainly.

i like it alright. Excelsiors along with Mirandas are probably some of the most used starfleet models, so i suppose one gets tired of it after awhile. The only Enterprise i really did not like was C. I'm not entirely fond of D, but it has its charm.

 

[Cicero]

TNG had a lower casualty ratio than TOS and Kirk to be sure, for their respective ships. The first televised TOS episodes had between one to four deaths aboard per week. Just as well few kids were on Kirk's Enterprise.....or NuKirk's either.

Interestingly, Into Darkness explicitly noted that Kirk hadn't lost anyone under his command—until the head of Starfleet set out to murder the entire crew.

 

[korblborp]

Because I'm new to fandom I'm not sure if this is unorthodox, but I really dislike the Enterprise-B / Excelsior. I think it's blocky and ungainly.

Excelsior class has a sort of, bathtub-like grace
the cool ones, with the claw feet

 

[JamesRye]

Never had an issue with children on Federation starships. Universe is dangerous. Whether on Earth or not.

Also, early TNG is the purest, most utopian Star Trek - it's pure Roddenberry. The Federation isn't at war, they're peaceful explorers, scientists, advanced human beings - both adults and children. Humans have literally evolved and are different to humans today, they actually live in a weird communist utopia that is anathema to a lot of people - amusing as it's a US TV show! Witness how calm the kids are in 'When the bough breaks' and then think how kids would really react now - mine would go nuts. With the exception of the Borg (who were used sparingly), it's the aliens at war. The Enterprise is more akin to a luxury liner than a military vessel.

Alas, the utopian vision was gradually eroded - and now we have Starfleet represented as a military armada both on TV and in games. Everyone now has to be a badass. Man, I miss the 90's when we had great games like Judgement Rites and A Final Unity and slow thoughtful episodes. Sploshions are cool I guess.

Bitter old men always think things were better in the past though

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

IMO, you don't put your progeny into danger by letting them experience every time rift, space baddie and quantum anomaly along with you.

This. This. This.

I just did a quick mental count of the crew deaths in TOS and TNG, and this was what I got from memory.

TOS
"WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE"=12
"THE MAN TRAP"=4
"THE NAKED TIME"=1
"BALANCE OF TERROR"=1
"WHAT ARE LITTLE GIRLS MADE OF?"=2

If Brownie was correct about the bottomless chasm in LITTLE GIRLS, and Matthews doesn't die of thirst or starvation, maybe we might make that a 1. It's a sick possibility, I admit, but they'd certainly find a way if he were a regular. And with a bit of JJ Abrams'-inspired technology, perhaps they could teleport him out of there.


Naaaah. Far too fast-moving. It's a 2, dammit. @#$% him.

 

[Farscape One]

This. This. This.

If Brownie was correct about the bottomless chasm in LITTLE GIRLS, and Matthews doesn't die of thirst or starvation, maybe we might make that a 1. It's a sick possibility, I admit, but they'd certainly find a way if he were a regular. And with a bit of JJ Abrams'-inspired technology, perhaps they could teleport him out of there.


Naaaah. Far too fast-moving. It's a 2, dammit. @#$% him.

Endlessly falling in a chasm but not dying?

That IS dark. And a bit sick. Extremely morbid.





I LOVE IT!!! I'd like that post twice if I could.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Endlessly falling in a chasm but not dying?

That IS dark. And a bit sick. Extremely morbid.





I LOVE IT!!! I'd like that post twice if I could.

Probably many other kids besides me back in the day entertained this possibility. We take certain words most literally at those ages. And in my opinion, Matthews' situation lends itself to AIRPLANE! style humor.* I'm sure Brownie wasn't lying.

(*And Joss Whedonesque-style yuks as well.)

 

[Farscape One]

Probably many other kids besides me back in the day entertained this possibility. We take certain words most literally at those ages. And in my opinion, Matthews' situation lends itself to AIRPLANE! style humor.* I'm sure Brownie wasn't lying.

(*And Joss Whedonesque-style yuks as well.)

I can also see that as a death used in SUPERNATURAL. That show also knew how to inject a lot of humor (and different types of humor, too) into their episodes.

 

[XCV330]

In terms of a captain who survived as oppose to captains dying with the ship, then Lorca Prime probably has the record with every single person besides him dying on the Buran. But since we don't have canon material that he DID survive, that one is questionable.

The Lorca we got may have lost as few as Culber and Landry during his stint as captain of the Discovery, and that in the middle of a war, plus Culber came back to life. And Landry wasn't exactly a big loss.

 

[Farscape One]

In terms of a captain who survived as oppose to captains dying with the ship, then Lorca Prime probably has the record with every single person besides him dying on the Buran. But since we don't have canon material that he DID survive, that one is questionable.

The Lorca we got may have lost as few as Culber and Landry during his stint as captain of the Discovery, and that in the middle of a war, plus Culber came back to life. And Landry wasn't exactly a big loss.

Ron Tracey lost his entire crew and survived. Also went over the edge in "THE OMEGA GLORY".

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In terms of a captain who survived as oppose to captains dying with the ship, then Lorca Prime probably has the record with every single person besides him dying on the Buran. But since we don't have canon material that he DID survive, that one is questionable.

Does he beat Commodore Decker, or for that matter Ron Tracey?

 

[B.J.]

If Brownie was correct about the bottomless chasm in LITTLE GIRLS, and Matthews doesn't die of thirst or starvation, maybe we might make that a 1. It's a sick possibility, I admit, but they'd certainly find a way if he were a regular. And with a bit of JJ Abrams'-inspired technology, perhaps they could teleport him out of there.

Loki Matthews, after they beam him out: "I've been falling FOR TWENTY MINUTES!"

 

[XCV330]

forgot about Tracey. For some reason i thought Decker had survivors. my bad.

 

[Farscape One]

Does he beat Commodore Decker, or for that matter Ron Tracey?

Decker survived his crew, true, but he died when he took the shuttle inside the Doomsday Machine.

Ron Tracey, though, survived to the end of the episode. Certainly would be in prison for his actions against the Yangs. (AND for killing one of Kirk's crew.)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Just wanted to ascertain the parameters. AFAIK, the Exeter itself was not actually lost, unless it could not be decontaminated. The Constellation itself outlived Decker, but not the episode, of course.