What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?

[CorporalCaptain]

I’m not sure they’re irrelevant. They were written by folks who were only twenty years removed from a world war (some of them actually fought in) and a society that sometimes bought into that stuff. So, for them, it was probably more personal.

Also, given that there had already been two world wars, given the smaller but still major wars (by any other name) that had been pretty constant since the second world war, especially in Korea and Vietnam, and given crises of the Cold War that had threatened all-out war, such as the one involving Cuba, it was reasonable to believe that another large-scale war could well occur twenty years down the road.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I’m probably someone that would be considered a purist and never had any issues keeping things straight.

Although your consideration of the multiverse (outside when explicitly stayed) would probably draw the ire of some purists. Like the inflexible purists that edit memory alpha.

 

[cooleddie74]

If it makes it to the screen, it is considered canon. James R. Kirk says hi.

Boy, wait until you find out about the breaking of the time barrier! These new ships can....

 

[BillJ]

Although your consideration of the multiverse (outside when explicitly stayed) would probably draw the ire of some purists. Like the inflexible purists that edit memory alpha.

If a Trek show is entertaining, I’m willing to give it a pretty big pass if it screws up or changes the details. If it isn’t entertaining, then those things irritate me.

But, I am TOS first when it comes to how I see the universe. If TOS says the Eugenics Wars happened from 1992-1996, then, for me, it happened between 1992-1996.

 

[BillJ]

Although your consideration of the multiverse (outside when explicitly stayed) would probably draw the ire of some purists. Like the inflexible purists that edit memory alpha.

Those aren’t purists, those are assholes.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

If a Trek show is entertaining, I’m willing to give it a pretty big pass if it screws up or changes the details. If it isn’t entertaining, then those things irritate me.

If it keeps your boat afloat I wish only smooth sailing for you

 

[cooleddie74]

Depending on when you as a time traveler visit Khan on Ceti Alpha V or Earth, the Eugenics Wars are 1992 through 1996 or they're 2042 through 2046 or thereabouts. There. Both camps satisfied, but we all know neither will be.

 

[BillJ]

Depending on when you as a time traveler visit Khan on Ceti Alpha V or Earth, the Eugenics Wars are 1992 through 1996 or they're 2042 through 2046 or thereabouts. There. Both camps satisfied, but we all know neither will be.

In one show it happened one way, in another it happened another way. I’m perfectly happy to roll with that. When it irritates me is when folks say it can only be one way.

My first thought is; what kind of imagination is that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I’m not sure they’re irrelevant. They were written by folks who were only twenty years removed from a world war (some of them actually fought in) and a society that sometimes bought into that stuff. So, for them, it was probably more personal.

I’m happy to just treat it as a multiverse, that way no one’s work is overwritten. YMMV.

Not sure why that would make them relevant. Predictions for a Third World War probably started before the second one ended. Having it start in 1992, 2022 or 2042 doesn't change much in terms of writer's motivation or experiences. Though the parallels to WWII can't be ignored. "Supermen" taking over a large chunk of the globe is very familiar. Write what you've known?

 

[BillJ]

Having it start in 1992, 2022 or 2042 doesn't change much in terms of writer's motivation or experiences.

What’s the motivation to change it? In ten years, it will just be out of date again. Do we shift it again when it no longer makes sense?

To me, the only way it would make sense is to rewrite the entirety of the timeline, which just means a reboot.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What’s the motivation to change it? In ten years, it will just be out of date again. Do we shift it again when it no longer makes sense?

Yes. Its been working for DC and Marvel for decades.

 

[cooleddie74]

I was against rebooting the wars' chronology at first but am at peace with it and can make the math work. For the purposes of SNW and PIC it's now the early 21st century, in most of the rest of Trek it's still the 1990s. Either way, Khan and the Augments have the same fate and the same series of events happen to both them and Kirk and his crew.

 

[BillJ]

Yes. Its been working for DC and Marvel for decades.

I far prefer a universe that isn’t attached to ours. That has its own differences and quirks.

 

[BillJ]

I was against rebooting the wars' chronology at first but am at peace with it and can make the math work. For the purposes of SNW and PIC it's now the early 21st century, in most of the rest of Trek it's still the 1990s. Either way, Khan and the Augments have the same fate and the same series of events happen to both them and Kirk and his crew.

Which, honestly, doesn’t make a lick of sense. Moving something thirty years would radically change the world. Entirely different people would be involved. Entirely different motivations.

Is that overthinking it? Probably. It is the way my brain works.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I far prefer a universe that isn’t attached to ours. That has its own differences and quirks.

Not where the creators were going back in 1964.

 

[cooleddie74]

Star Trek's gonna Star Trek. The less I connect the franchise to real, hard science and how time works, the better for my sanity.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which, honestly, doesn’t make a lick of sense. Moving something thirty years would radically change the world. Entirely different people would be involved. Entirely different motivations.

Is that overthinking it? Probably. It is the way my brain works.

It's fiction. Something "radically changes" when it means something in the plot.

 

[BillJ]

Not where the creators were going back in 1964.

Things like launching nuclear platforms in 1968 show that what they were going for and what they ended up producing were two different things.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hell, we already know there's a different timeline in the TNG Era from how Akorem Laan finishes a famous poem after he's returned to the 22nd century by the Wormhole Prophets. Beforehand the poem was unfinished, then it isn't. "The Prophets work in mysterious ways," to paraphrase Sisko when Kira wonders why she can still remember the unfinished poem as it had existed for the past 200 years.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Hell, we already know there's a different timeline in the TNG Era from how Akorem Laan finishes a famous poem after he's returned to the 22nd century by the Wormhole Prophets. Beforehand the poem was unfinished, then it isn't. "The Prophets work in mysterious ways," to paraphrase Sisko when Kira wonders why she can still remember the unfinished poem as it had existed for the past 200 years.

That was a cool episode. One of the unusual approaches to time travel in the Trek-verse.