What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?

[Dukhat]

Didn't he leave his kid on an occupied station and then later abandon him?

1. He didn’t know that Jake stayed behind during the occupation until after he had already left DS9.

2. He didn’t have much of a choice about leaving at the end, because the wormhole aliens just saved him from instant death but couldn’t return him to normal. Plus by that time Jake was an adult.

 

[Shawnster]

Didn't he leave his kid on an occupied station and then later abandon him?

You mean his 18 year old inadult son who chose to not leave with the rest of the civilians?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not Ben Sisko.

Archer, Janeway and Pike don't have kids. Burnham seems like a good mom. Ake and Freeman, too. With Picard and Kirk, it's complicated

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I pulled out my copy of Caretaker because I wanted to check on a plot point for a chronology project I'm working on, and, as I glanced through the first chapter, we got some of Janeway's inner thoughts and I was surprised at how little she thought of the Federation/Starfleet penal reform system.
She thought that the prisoners on New Zealand should be locked away doing hard larbor.
She lamented that the particular portion of New Zealand should be returned to its native habitat, like the rest of the island and that the prisoners were being coddled when there was a perfectly good prison on Alcatraz that could be reopened where the prisoners could be locked up and throw away the key.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Janeway

Didn't Janeway have 3 or 4 Hyper Evolved Salamander babies with Tom Paris that the Voyager crew left on that random planet and didn't bother bringing back to de-evolve for whatever reason.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Kirk's not a bad father, since he listened to Carol's direct orders to stay away after David's birth. He obeyed the Marcus family rules and didn't impose himself on his son.

Kirk wasn't bad, just not there because the mother didn't want him around.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The Prime Directive should be called the Prime Suggestion.

Prime Elective. It even rhymes.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Didn't Janeway have 3 or 4 Hyper Evolved Salamander babies with Tom Paris that the Voyager crew left on that random planet and didn't bother bringing back to de-evolve for whatever reason.

YES!

She WAS the mother!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Didn't Janeway have 3 or 4 Hyper Evolved Salamander babies with Tom Paris that the Voyager crew left on that random planet and didn't bother bringing back to de-evolve for whatever reason.

Complicated

 

[cooleddie74]

Kathy and Tom were great parents.

Sort of.







At least the kids grew u...



oh.

 

[Shawnster]

Even Kirk's not a bad father, since he listened to Carol's direct orders to stay away after David's birth. He obeyed the Marcus family rules and didn't impose himself on his son.

Kirk wasn't bad, just not there because the mother didn't want him around.

No.

Depends on your definition of bad father. Can an absent father be a bad father? Or does being a bad father require being in the child's life at some point?

Kirk was not a good father. He also was not a mediocre father.

Respecting Carol's wishes? That's a load of crap. That's an excuse. Any father worth his salt fights to be in his child's life. Any father worth his salt and who realizes his lifestyle is incompatible with being a father changes his lifestyle in order to become the father his child deserves.

Kirk was a deadbeat dad. The fact that is what Carol wanted doesn't excuse this.

 

[Farscape One]

Didn't he leave his kid on an occupied station and then later abandon him?

Jake was 18 years old before "CALL TO ARMS", so he was an adult. He chose to stay behind, and Ben didn't find out until they were already well away from the station.

And Ben never abandoned his son. If you are saying he did by going to the Fire Caves in the end, that is like saying every soldier that's a father or mother who died in the line of duty abandoned their kids. That is just completely wrong.

 

[Farscape One]

Even Kirk's not a bad father, since he listened to Carol's direct orders to stay away after David's birth. He obeyed the Marcus family rules and didn't impose himself on his son.

Kirk wasn't bad, just not there because the mother didn't want him around.

No.

Depends on your definition of bad father. Can an absent father be a bad father? Or does being a bad father require being in the child's life at some point?

Kirk was not a good father. He also was not a mediocre father.

Respecting Carol's wishes? That's a load of crap. That's an excuse. Any father worth his salt fights to be in his child's life. Any father worth his salt and who realizes his lifestyle is incompatible with being a father changes his lifestyle in order to become the father his child deserves.

Kirk was a deadbeat dad. The fact that is what Carol wanted doesn't excuse this.

I can actually agree with both of these things about Kirk.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Kathy and Tom were great parents.

Sort of.







At least the kids grew u...



oh.

Would have been revisited in Academy season 4.

 

[Ovation]

Every single thing past Voyager should be shit canned.

 

[korblborp]

Because they don't understand positronic life and probably believe they can just snap him back together, good as new.

disassemble? dead... disassemble number five... dead.... OOOH NOOOOO

 

[korblborp]

Pulaski is old. She probably remembers a few pushes from AI to become a house hold convenience, that did not match the hype and faltered.

she did, after all, serve on the ship that had hosted the M5 computer, though whether she was actually aboard during the incident....:P

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

disassemble? dead... disassemble number five... dead.... OOOH NOOOOO

That's why you need to replicate MANY copies, incase you break a few of them and can't put them back together again!

They were able to back-up many parts of Data's Digital Memories & Digital Soul onto other fancy Computer Hardware in ST:PIC
They were also able to load Data back up into a new, more advanced Synth Body.

Also, the USS Enterprise-D was able to create a Sentient Hologram by accident with the Moriarty character.
The fact that they were able to back him up to lends credence that Moriarty is just fancy AI, but still has the limitations of computer software.
Eventually being very similar to "The Doctor" from ST:VOY.

So take that for what it's worth, Data is more fancy software than special hardware.

 

[CoveTom]

Even Kirk's not a bad father, since he listened to Carol's direct orders to stay away after David's birth. He obeyed the Marcus family rules and didn't impose himself on his son.

Kirk wasn't bad, just not there because the mother didn't want him around.

A father is equally a parent just as much as a mother is. Absent something extreme like abuse -- which is certainly not the case here -- a mother doesn't just get to say "stay out of this kid's life." And a good father does not just abandon his child because the mother says to. Kirk was a great starship commander but a lousy father.

 

[Rahul]

I'd wish we continue the "controversial Trek opinions" thread instead of this one:
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

It had a much snappier title (this is essentially the same thing), and, yes, it got detailed sometimes, but it was worth the sheer absurdity to open a thread and see 1.6k pages of history.
This is truly the best thread in this forum.