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What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?

He almost was, if it weren’t for that last-couple-episodes reveal that flattened him out into twirling mustachios.

I’m doing here something I hate when other fans do it: “If only they’d instead done what I wanted them to do” — in this case, reveal that Lorca was a MU refugee who really admired the Federation, and what we’d seen had been him trying to defend it in the only manner he believed would work — “it would have been great!”
Exactly, what i think should have happened as well. The idea of a "good" Mirror universe character is super interesting, and would have been a cool twist. I think they got too fixated on only having Isaacs for a single season and didn't know how to culminated his story arc.
I speculated that it was implausible that someone who was such a blatant asshole would've have been given command of a Federation starship.
Shaw would have been perfect as captain of a California class engineering ship. The problem was he was too timid and by-the-book to have been captain of an exploration ship.
 
My thoughts on the use of the MU in DISCO was that it was overall a horrible idea, despite some silver linings here and there. I have the same opinion of its use in DS9. Its use in ENT was at least extremely creative and innovative. Would, though, that there had never been any sequels to "Mirror, Mirror" at all, itself a brilliant episode.
 
My thoughts on the use of the MU in DISCO was that it was overall a horrible idea, despite some silver linings here and there. I have the same opinion of its use in DS9. Its use in ENT was at least extremely creative and innovative. Would, though, that there had never been any sequels to "Mirror, Mirror" at all, itself a brilliant episode.
I feel like the sole reason for MU in DISCO was to give a reason for an alternate Georgiou. And that's really worse as there were so many better ways they could have had one. I hope Yeoh had fun playing the super evil space empress, but it had no relation to her Prime character who we had very little time to get to know, and Yeoh never got to show her tremendous skill in acting save for one or two scenes way down the road.
 
I'm just glad they usually stick with the one mirror universe and don't go messing around with the multiverse outside of the TNG episode "Parallels", that would get confusing way too fast. I'm glad Stargate realized multiverse travel was more trouble than it was worth (both in-show and real world) and destroyed their quantum mirror. (Although it could have been fun if one of the Enterprises that Worf ended up on was from the mirror universe, since this aired before DS9 destroyed the Terran Empire.)
 
The MU is one of my favorite Trek ridiculous ideas and it's use in ENT and Discovery are among my favorite use of it on screen.
 
It's use on DISCO started out well, it probably would have finished better without the Lorca twist, Georgiou and Charon being a threat to the entire multiverse.
 
Its use on DISCO started out well, it probably would have finished better without the Lorca twist, Georgiou and Charon being a threat to the entire multiverse.
I’ve never liked threats to the entire universe & such partly because — statistically speaking, extrapolating from the small local part of the universe that we get to see in Star Trek — that implies that all throughout the cosmos, in each of the trillions of galaxies, repeatedly,

1. Potentially universe-destroying threats are popping up, on a comparatively frequent basis; and

2. Somebody’s managing to catch and stop all of the potentially universe-destroying threats. All the time.

That’s quite a lot of luck, and it only requires one unknown hero on the other side of the universe to slip up, and everything just goes kablooey out of nowhere one day.

(Which admittedly fits my worldview, but not Star Trek’s.)

BELATED EDIT: Actually, I guess the most reasonable conclusion to come to is that this has already happened — somebody out there has to have failed to stop a universe-destroying event — and the effects just haven’t had time to reach us yet due to lightspeed lag. Since everything we do is in the shadow of the fact that the universe will end one day anyway, I suppose this doesn’t actually change anything, at least in the long run.

A lot of fun at parties, me.

EDIT EDIT: Or the Q and such block the ones that get past us lesser types, and that’s why galaxies evolve them. We handle the giant amoebas, they take the real threats we couldn’t possibly know about because we’re so primitive.
 
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I still want Squirrel Girl to take down Thanos, Galactus and any other heavy hitter and wrap the MCU up that way.
Will you accept OwlKitty taking down Thanos?
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I thought Jean Luc and Beverly had zero chemistry and didn't want to see them get together romantically. Consequently, the episode "Attached" was painful for me to watch.

As a corollary, I thought Dr. Crusher had zero charisma. I'm sure Gate McFadden is a wonderful human being and I mean no disrespect, but I feel she lacked the natural warmth, charm and magnetism the rest of the cast was blessed with.

I only had one reply to my above post (the person disagreed, which I didn't mind). I was hoping for more feedback. I'm new to fandom, so I genuinely have no idea if what I wrote is controversial or banal. Generally speaking, did most fans long for a Picard-Crusher romance or were they opposed like me? Or were they split?
 
If I remember correctly, Bryan Fuller's original intention for the Mirror Universe in Discovery was for it to be less evil alt version of the prime universe with goatees and more grounded as a darker "what if?" where characters had made bad choices. And that was supposed to connect with Burnham's decision at the Battle of the Binary Stars.

My unorthodox Discovery opinions:
  • Make prime universe Georgiou a main character from the beginning: Have the basic dynamics of the cast be Georgiou as captain, Burnham as XO, and Saru as third-in-line. Take the entire mutiny aspect out of the pilot, as well as Geogiou's murder (no Mirror Georgiou). Introduce Lorca as another influential Starfleet captain during the Battle of the Binary Stars that advocates a more aggressive course of action, but a strategy that you could honestly see the merit of. There is possibly no right answer as to how to handle the situation. But Georgiou pushes and ultimately decides that as Starfleet officers they have to give peace a chance. However, it becomes a mixed bag where they're able to survive the incident but it has lasting negative consequences and a significant number of red-shirts die.
  • Let the dispute at the Battle of the Binary Stars be the pivot point of the first season: Make how Georgiou decides to handle the situation be a disagreement between Burnham and Georgiou that colors their mentor/friend relationship for the rest of the season. When the entire situation goes off the rails, it becomes a point where doubts creep in about Burnham's fidelity to Federation values, and opens the door to her considering Lorca's point of view. The best way I could see something like this working would be to imagine Picard as captain, but with Sisko as his first officer, as the threats they're facing become worse and worse. You would intrinsically trust Picard as a leader and he would give beautiful speeches about the principles they're defending and the values they need to uphold. But someone like Sisko might consider whether the words of "saints in paradise" is enough, or you need to go beyond those values sometimes to protect paradise.
  • Contrast Lorca as a legitimate option and choice for Burnham: Let the contrast between Georgiou and Lorca be similar to the difference between Picard and Jellico. Except, in this case, the first officer finds themselves more and more conflicted because they're agreeing with the Jellico-type position from time to time and becomes more and more seduced by his ideas. But let those ideas be a serious choice and not devolve into twirling mustache evil.
  • The Walker-class (USS Shenzhou) should have been the design used for Discovery: I really like the design of the USS Shenzhou and kind of wished they had used the Walker-class as the basis for the "hero-ship." I'm not the biggest fan of bridge windows, but I thought it looked really cool in the Shenzhou with the bridge on the underside of the saucer. And I like the proportions of the Shenzhou and the Walker-class much better than Discovery's.
  • Have the Spore Drive be really weird: Instead of it just being a computational problem that needs tardigrade DNA to work, make the Spore Drive very difficult to work and very dangerous, which would explain why it never replaced Warp Drive on a widespread basis. Maybe you can jump from one place in the galaxy to the next instantaneously, but maybe you also have crew members disappear after a jump is complete. Maybe sometimes people materialize halfway inside a bulkhead. Maybe sometimes people are hideously altered (i.e., think the transporter accident in The Motion Picture). Maybe sometimes in the jumps perceptions of time and reality become horribly altered and surreal. That way the Spore Drive can be used when it's truly needed, but there's a risk and cost.
 
If I remember correctly, Bryan Fuller's original intention for the Mirror Universe in Discovery was for it to be less evil alt version of the prime universe with goatees and more grounded as a darker "what if?" where characters had made bad choices. And that was supposed to connect with Burnham's decision at the Battle of the Binary Stars.

My unorthodox Discovery opinions:
  • Make prime universe Georgiou a main character from the beginning: Have the basic dynamics of the cast be Georgiou as captain, Burnham as XO, and Saru as third-in-line. Take the entire mutiny aspect out of the pilot, as well as Geogiou's murder (no Mirror Georgiou). Introduce Lorca as another influential Starfleet captain during the Battle of the Binary Stars that advocates a more aggressive course of action, but a strategy that you could honestly see the merit of. There is possibly no right answer as to how to handle the situation. But Georgiou pushes and ultimately decides that as Starfleet officers they have to give peace a chance. However, it becomes a mixed bag where they're able to survive the incident but it has lasting negative consequences and a significant number of red-shirts die.
  • Let the dispute at the Battle of the Binary Stars be the pivot point of the first season: Make how Georgiou decides to handle the situation be a disagreement between Burnham and Georgiou that colors their mentor/friend relationship for the rest of the season. When the entire situation goes off the rails, it becomes a point where doubts creep in about Burnham's fidelity to Federation values, and opens the door to her considering Lorca's point of view. The best way I could see something like this working would be to imagine Picard as captain, but with Sisko as his first officer, as the threats they're facing become worse and worse. You would intrinsically trust Picard as a leader and he would give beautiful speeches about the principles they're defending and the values they need to uphold. But someone like Sisko might consider whether the words of "saints in paradise" is enough, or you need to go beyond those values sometimes to protect paradise.
  • Contrast Lorca as a legitimate option and choice for Burnham: Let the contrast between Georgiou and Lorca be similar to the difference between Picard and Jellico. Except, in this case, the first officer finds themselves more and more conflicted because they're agreeing with the Jellico-type position from time to time and becomes more and more seduced by his ideas. But let those ideas be a serious choice and not devolve into twirling mustache evil.
  • The Walker-class (USS Shenzhou) should have been the design used for Discovery: I really like the design of the USS Shenzhou and kind of wished they had used the Walker-class as the basis for the "hero-ship." I'm not the biggest fan of bridge windows, but I thought it looked really cool in the Shenzhou with the bridge on the underside of the saucer. And I like the proportions of the Shenzhou and the Walker-class much better than Discovery's.
  • Have the Spore Drive be really weird: Instead of it just being a computational problem that needs tardigrade DNA to work, make the Spore Drive very difficult to work and very dangerous, which would explain why it never replaced Warp Drive on a widespread basis. Maybe you can jump from one place in the galaxy to the next instantaneously, but maybe you also have crew members disappear after a jump is complete. Maybe sometimes people materialize halfway inside a bulkhead. Maybe sometimes people are hideously altered (i.e., think the transporter accident in The Motion Picture). Maybe sometimes in the jumps perceptions of time and reality become horribly altered and surreal. That way the Spore Drive can be used when it's truly needed, but there's a risk and cost.
we need to send you back in time and make these changes
 
Shaw would have been perfect as captain of a California class engineering ship. The problem was he was too timid and by-the-book to have been captain of an exploration ship.
My thought was he could've been overseeing the engineering teams doing the refit, and would've ended up as the officer in command when Picard and Riker took the ship out early. That way it would've been a lot more plausible that he was so abrasive and out of his depth, and not at all who should be in charge of an explorer ship.
 
My thought was he could've been overseeing the engineering teams doing the refit, and would've ended up as the officer in command when Picard and Riker took the ship out early. That way it would've been a lot more plausible that he was so abrasive and out of his depth, and not at all who should be in charge of an explorer ship.
Except it was stated that Shaw had commanded the Titan for five years and completed something like thirty-some missions.
 
So many things about that season would make more sense if it took place a decade later than it’s alleged to.
The funny thing is, a conversation Todd Stashwick had with Matalas led to Stashwick getting a t-shirt made showing the Titan's launch date as 2402. Which suggests at the time the season was filmed, the intent was the season took place at least no earlier than 2407, and certainly not 2401 as somehow made into the aired version.
 
Except it was stated that Shaw had commanded the Titan for five years and completed something like thirty-some missions.
Yeah, I'm not saying that's how I interpreted it, the dialogue's pretty clear that you're right, but I think it would've made more sense if he had been in charge of the engineering project rather than the explorer ship.
 
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