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What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?

Nor should be discuss why Deneb IV is some new, unknown world on the edge of the frontier for Starfleet in Season 1 of TNG but Kirk and Gary Mitchell are said to have experienced a fun night there when they were younger and before the second TOS Pilot, which happened more than a century before. :lol:
 
Nor should be discuss why Deneb IV is some new, unknown world on the edge of the frontier for Starfleet in Season 1 of TNG but Kirk and Gary Mitchell are said to have experienced a fun night there when they were younger and before the second TOS Pilot, which happened more than a century before. :lol:

Obviously, they were talking about the other Deneb IV!
 
Even if the saucer is not circular?
Perhaps. and I know were getting into a trek tech discussion of imaginary physics that might be outside the scope of things. But with antennas for instance its possible to have non-circular loops that are still radiant: like a rhombic, delta, or square shape.
 
Nor should be discuss why Deneb IV is some new, unknown world on the edge of the frontier for Starfleet in Season 1 of TNG but Kirk and Gary Mitchell are said to have experienced a fun night there when they were younger and before the second TOS Pilot, which happened more than a century before. :lol:
Partying at the edge of the frontier?
Or, another system pronounced the same way?
 
star drive had to fly at warp to detach the saucer so the saucer could travel at warp until its inertia ran out and then made the rest of the trip at impulse.
Did it? The word "impulse" appears once in the episode's transcript, but not into relation to the saucer section.
 
Did it? The word "impulse" appears once in the episode's transcript, but not into relation to the saucer section.
Apologies that is explained in the tech manual. But the saucer has no warp drive functions of its own, no core, no nacelles.

Or else it could have warped to farpoint on its own without a warp separation and not been so far behind the stardrive.
It would also have been treated as less vulnerable during instances like Best of Both Worlds.
It could have warped away in Generations.

Not that applying logic is always the safest route of course.
 
Apologies that is explained in the tech manual. But the saucer has no warp drive functions of its own, no core, no nacelles.

Or else it could have warped to farpoint on its own without a warp separation and not been so far behind the stardrive.
It would also have been treated as less vulnerable during instances like Best of Both Worlds.
It could have warped away in Generations.

Not that applying logic is always the safest route of course.
Where in the episode is it stated that that the saucer section needed "warp separation" to go anywhere? Their main concern is separating while at high warp. Which is dangerous and untried, though theoretically possible. (Because that how Trek rolls ;) ) As mentioned the saucer is less that an hour away when the drive section arrives at Deneb. They reconnect in orbit of Deneb IV. So the saucer section made the entire trip in slightly less time than the drive section. Was that at impulse?

As for the Tech Manual. I subscribe to the "It don't mean a thing if it ain't on the screen" school of thought.
 
Where in the episode is it stated that that the saucer section needed "warp separation" to go anywhere? Their main concern is separating while at high warp. Which is dangerous and untried, though theoretically possible. (Because that how Trek rolls ;) )
If the saucer were capable of warp you would assume/hope that would be less of a concern, also they could have slowed down briefly let the saucer detach and warp off on its own if it could.
As mentioned the saucer is less that an hour away when the drive section arrives at Deneb. They reconnect in orbit of Deneb IV. So the saucer section made the entire trip in slightly less time than the drive section. Was that at impulse?
Well factor in how long the Picard was bantering with Q and how far the drive section had to double back and that could have been quite a long journey for the saucer, we also don't know how long it took for its warp inertia to die off before impulse took over.
As for the Tech Manual. I subscribe to the "It don't mean a thing if it ain't on the screen" school of thought.
To be fair this is an assumption I made before checking that as it seemed obvious to me. But the not seen on screen philosophy is a safer school of thought.
 
Perhaps. and I know were getting into a trek tech discussion of imaginary physics that might be outside the scope of things. But with antennas for instance its possible to have non-circular loops that are still radiant: like a rhombic, delta, or square shape.

Don't forget the child / younger-sibling-shaped antennas. :shifty:
 
Partying at the edge of the frontier?
Or, another system pronounced the same way?
I think Gene either forgot about the planet from his second TOS Pilot or deliberately reused it, but either way it comes off sounding like TNG forgot that starship crews had already visited (and had some good times) there and long ago.
 
Look, the Calypso was doing its darnedest to keep the saucer going at warp, okay?! :p

(Sorry, the mental picture of the captain's yacht redlining the engines while hauling the saucer on its back was too funny! And no, I don't care if it actually has warp engines itself or not.)
 
I think the original idea was that if the saucer was detached at warp, it could continue to travel within the currently established warp field, but once it dropped out of warp would be unable to create another one. My only issue with that is that I assumed the warp engines would be needed to get it out of warp once it reached its destination, but maybe not.

However, that idea was later changed, because in "Brothers," Picard tries to do a saucer separation and says that the saucer should fall out of warp within two minutes.

So who knows?
 
I think Gene either forgot about the planet from his second TOS Pilot or deliberately reused it, but either way it comes off sounding like TNG forgot that starship crews had already visited (and had some good times) there and long ago.
I mean, of course. But of such things are story seeds hatched, or they should be.
 
I SMELL A NEW STREAMING PREQUEL.

Star Trek: The Deneb Expedition

You're all welcome. I'm not greedy, I just want 5%.
 
I think the explanation is obvious.

Kirk and Mitchell had such a good time there that all record of their visit was expunged from Starfleet records and the planet was placed on a "do not visit" list similar to Talos IV. By the time of Picard's visit, all memory of Deneb having been visited was long since forgotten.
 
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