What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?

[fireproof78]

the theatrical release was ruined by a cut that emphasized the very expensive special effects, at the expense of plot and character development

Indeed. The effects made the ENTERPRISE too much a centerpiece.

 

[Turtletrekker]

In my head canon Worf is the Captain of the Enterprise-E at the time of the Living Construct crisis in PRO. We see the 1701-E in Season 2 but we never see who's on the Bridge or hear who's in command during the Living Construct's infection of the Starfleet armada.

I agree with that and take it one step further. It was the damage that the E sustained in that battle that caused her to be decommissioned, although no blame was ascribed to Worf.

ETA-- beaten to the obvious punch line.

 

[Ovation]

I'm glad the box office failure of TFF didn't hobble TUC too much. It probably had some degree of effect since Star Trek V was not a popular entry in the franchise, but getting the creative team that helmed TWOK back for the original crew's farewell was a smart move. It excited hardcore Trekkies and even middling fans probably liked the second movie enough to feel like the sixth would be a good theatergoing experience. That 25th Anniversary cycle for the franchise probably helped smooth over some of the big cracks created by TFF.

Except for one thing—V is better than VI.

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[fireproof78]

Except for one thing—V is better than VI.

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Coming to play.

 

[whenyouknow]

I liked most of SNW season 3.

 

[XCV330]

I liked most of SNW season 3.

I don't think that's unorthodox. it's perfectly cromulent.

 

[XCV330]

Except for one thing—V is better than VI.

(See thread title for more details ).

I thought this was about to turn into some odd unix argument about apples and oranges.. nvm

 

[CoveTom]

Indeed. The effects made the ENTERPRISE too much a centerpiece.

No such thing.

 

[Maurice]

Considering David Carson was pretty much just a tv director, it underscores just how good an eye he had.

You're overlooking cinematographer John Alonzo.

Mad Magazine should write all future Star Trek musical episodes

We did a write-up on that here (link)

Casting an alabaster white dude as someone called Khan Noonien Singh is such a bizarre decision.

If I remember right, Benicio Del Toro was going to be cast, but that didn't happen due to pay dispute or something along those lines.

Montalban's parents were Spanish. He was no less inappropriate to play a Sikh than any other white dude, or a Puerto Rican. People pretend it's acceptable. It ain't.

I do not care for TWOK if only because we spent so long in TMP with it only for the ship to relegated to training assignments.

Trekkies keep saying this, but nothing in the film indicates the ship was a training ship. McCoy flat out asks if it wouldn't be easier to be an experienced crew back on the ship. So it was a training cruise for a prospective new crew for the Enterprise, not that the ship had been turned into a training vessel.

I am firmly convinced that, with regard to Sarek's surgery in "Journey to Babel," Nimoy was not butchering the pronunciation of "cryogenic," but rather, the procedure was serogenic, i.e., involving unusually large amounts of body fluids in general, and blood plasma in particular. Hence the need for a large reserve of blood.

Script says "cryogenic".

And it's a real thing, though not really done anymore. It’s more precisely deep hypothermic circulatory arrest (DHCA). What makes no sense is them worrying about Sarek's heart stopping, because DHCA involves temporarily stopping the heart.

I think some of that was a reflection of the evolution of Roddenberry's perspective to, where somewhere around the mid-70's, he seems to have forgotten what TOS actually contained and instead morphed his idea of Trek into this preachy perfected utopian vision thing.


Worth remembering that TMP did better than TWOK at the box office and, in fact, when adjusted for inflation was the most successful Trek film until the J.J. Abrams Trek in 2009 came around.

A lot of factors affect box office performance. TWOK came out in a highly competitive summer movie season and may have made even more were it not for E.T. and the like.

 

[fireproof78]

Trekkies keep saying this, but nothing in the film indicates the ship was a training ship. McCoy flat out asks if it wouldn't be easier to be an experienced crew back on the ship. So it was a training cruise for a prospective new crew for the Enterprise, not that the ship had been turned into a training vessel.

I didn't say it was a training ship, but that it took training assignments, and I found that odd after the end of TMP.

 

[Maurice]

I didn't say it was a training ship, but that it took training assignments, and I found that odd after the end of TMP.

Almost the same thing. All we know is that it had a single training cruise as depicted in the film.

 

[fireproof78]

Almost the same thing. All we know is that it had a single training cruise as depicted in the film.

Which ignores my point of my disquiet that seeing the ship take such an emphasis in TMP and then be moved towards training is strange. I'm not saying that's all the ship does; just that's all we see, and it is an odd shift of emphasis when the ship stands center stage in TMP.

 

[Maurice]

I'm not going to argue over splitting a hair this fine.

 

[cooleddie74]

There's also - though not confirmed in canon - another five-year mission after TMP and the two movies are 12 years apart in canon. 2273 to 2285. Lots of time for the 1701 Refit to have plenty of more adventures under Kirk before she becomes a training ship under Spock.

 

[Farscape One]

You're overlooking cinematographer John Alonzo.


We did a write-up on that here (link)



Montalban's parents were Spanish. He was no less inappropriate to play a Sikh than any other white dude, or a Puerto Rican. People pretend it's acceptable. It ain't.


Trekkies keep saying this, but nothing in the film indicates the ship was a training ship. McCoy flat out asks if it wouldn't be easier to be an experienced crew back on the ship. So it was a training cruise for a prospective new crew for the Enterprise, not that the ship had been turned into a training vessel.


Script says "cryogenic".

And it's a real thing, though not really done anymore. It’s more precisely deep hypothermic circulatory arrest (DHCA). What makes no sense is them worrying about Sarek's heart stopping, because DHCA involves temporarily stopping the heart.


A lot of factors affect box office performance. TWOK came out in a highly competitive summer movie season and may have made even more were it not for E.T. and the like.

John Alonzo... good point. Either way, David Carson did well for being almost entirely a tv director.

 

[BillJ]

There's also - though not confirmed in canon - another five-year mission after TMP and the two movies are 12 years apart in canon. 2273 to 2285. Lots of time for the 1701 Refit to have plenty of more adventures under Kirk before she becomes a training ship under Spock.

Another five year mission is creatively the laziest way to go when dealing with the time between the two films.

 

[CoveTom]

A lot of factors affect box office performance. TWOK came out in a highly competitive summer movie season and may have made even more were it not for E.T. and the like.

That's true, although TWOK was certainly no slouch at the box office. It had the largest opening weekend of any film to date at the time. It was definitely a bona fide blockbuster; it just didn't match the performance of TMP. Even TVH, the film that got the biggest crossover appeal, still came in behind TMP when adjusted for inflation.

 

[CoveTom]

Just as a follow-up, this is several years old data, but since no new films have been released in the time frame, illustrates the point pretty well. This is total worldwide box office for each of the Trek films, adjusted for inflation as of about 9 years ago I believe.

• Star Trek Into Darkness (2013): 495.20
• Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979): 454.28
• Star Trek (2009): 436.97
• Star Trek Beyond (2016): 346.96
• Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986): 265.19
• Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982): 229.56
• Star Trek First Contact (1996): 213.91
• Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984): 187.21
• Star Trek Generations (1994): 180.33
• Star Trek Insurrection (1998): 160.65
• Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991): 152.05
• Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989): 109.68
• Star Trek Nemesis (2002): 87.85

Of course, that doesn't talk about profitability, just gross receipts. Still, I find it interesting that TWOK, which is considered one of the all-time classics of not just Trek, but of movies in general, comes in at # 6 while TMP, which is often decried by people as boring and slow, comes in at # 2.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Scripts aren't canon, and neither are scenes that end up permanently on the cutting room floor.

 

[FredH]

Except for one thing—V is better than VI.

(See thread title for more details ).

Honestly, my unorthodox opinion at the time was that despite involving Meyer, VI was just as dopey as V (and IV). But I’ve mellowed on it a lot over the years.