What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?

[XCV330]

I'll begin,

Star Trek should be rebooted and set at least 1000 years in the future after some terrible cataclysm with Earth finally out of it. We stop having to worry about already being dealing with retconning moments in our own past and we can accept wide ranging social changes and stop having the future be obsessed with 20th century pop culture.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

It's the one major homeworld we haven't destroyed. Of course, there'll be New Earth if that happens. Unless Humans become the minority alien refugees on another species' planet.

Depending on how long ago the explosion was, we'll have people who still remember hunting down alien-scavenged Earth nostalgia saved by being offworld at the time.

Or do you mean Humans are extinct?

 

[XCV330]

Or do you mean Humans are extinct?

I did like that one alternative future where humanity was threatened pretty badly (in SNW) and Kirk was not a starfleet captain.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Into Darkness is a superior movie to The Wrath of Khan.

Not edge-lording. I really do think so.

Discuss.

 

[Farscape One]

Into Darkness is a superior movie to The Wrath of Khan.

Not edge-lording. I really do think so.

Discuss.

THAT is definitely sticking to the thread topic.

Bravo for that!

(Though I could not disagree with that actual opinion more. Until SECTION 31 happened, I considered ID the worst movie in the franchise.)

 

[Warp Core Breach]

I like both "The Way to Eden" and "Subspace Rhapsody". Fight me.

 

[XCV330]

Into Darkness is a superior movie to The Wrath of Khan.

Not edge-lording. I really do think so.

Discuss.

Do you see ID as derivative at all ? A better take on the same idea?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Do you see ID as derivative at all ? A better take on the same idea?

Good version:

I think it’s superficially derivative, but that this is an overstated criticism. The most egregious instance being Spock screaming ‘Khan’ which is… well, it’s just silly.

But there is (for me) just so much to enjoy. The action set pieces are stunning. The general level of performance and direction is really good. I love Cumberbatch in particular.

I like TWoK, but it’s a TV Movie dressed up as cinema. It has a nice space battle, but otherwise it lacks a lot of what makes a movie for me, the most notable thing being a lack of any kind of face to face meeting of protagonist/antagonist.

Do you see ID as derivative at all ? A better take on the same idea?

Evil version:

Eh, whatevers. I just wanted to kick the thread off with a firecracker.

 

[BillJ]

Do you see ID as derivative at all ? A better take on the same idea?

I really didn’t, outside the forced Khan. He really could’ve been any Augment in Into Darkness.

“Space Seed”, The Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness all are centered on Khan but tell three very different stories.

 

[fireproof78]

The story is actually quite different. Kirk is on a pursuit of revenge rather than Khan.

 

[BillJ]

The story is actually quite different. Kirk is on a pursuit of revenge rather than Khan.

We also see why he isn’t ready yet to be a starship captain. Admiral Marcus manipulated him quite easily.

 

[fireproof78]

We also see why he isn’t ready yet to be a starship captain. Admiral Marcus manipulated him quite easily.

Which is actually an extension of the story of 09 that I find very enjoyable, similar to follow up with Spock and his navigating his emotions and the ups and downs that he faces.

Both go through a great coming of age style story through the three films.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

He has no long past history with Khan, and Khan has no personal grudge against Kirk in particular, though Kirk has Pike's death to blame him for (interesting reversal, Kirk's mentor instead of Khan's love dies, due to a delberate attack, not the passive result of natural forces (planet exploding)) although they try to build an uneasy truce by having them cooperate in their zoom through space together.

No Marla either - it might have been a little crowded to have Marla and Carol in the same film. No time to have a captain's table supper and compare him to other forceful leaders of history when you're avenging. None of his followers thawed.

 

[BillJ]

Which is actually an extension of the story of 09 that I find very enjoyable, similar to follow up with Spock and his navigating his emotions and the ups and downs that he faces.

Both go through a great coming of age style story through the three films.

Into Darkness is my second favorite Trek film behind The Motion Picture.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Into Darkness is my second favorite Trek film behind The Motion Picture.

Didn’t expect that!

I do think it’s really, really a very good movie though.

We don’t say controversial anymore, so *unorthodox* opinion, but over time it’s become my favorite of the Kelvin movies.

The idea that it’s a beat for beat remake of TWoK gets bandied about a lot and it just doesn’t hold water. They are very different stories as you said.

 

[BillJ]

Didn’t expect that!

Hey, I’m a complex guy!

 

[1001001]

Into Darkness is my second favorite Trek film behind The Motion Picture.

Those movies both suck ass.

And not in a good way.

 

[Set Harth]

Into Darkness is my second favorite Trek film behind The Motion Picture.

 

[Ceridwen]

I like TWoK, but it’s a TV Movie dressed up as cinema.

I have to agree with this. I love that movie, but I can't give it full marks because it too frequently feels cheap (an issue with the majority of the series).

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Into Darkness is a superior movie to The Wrath of Khan.

Ed Wood's supreme failure Plan 9 from Outer Space was a better "Star Trek" movie than that dreck titled Into Darkness.