What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Richard S. Ta]

Just watched Booby Trap.

Controversial Opinion

I don’t think Geordi being bad around women is a reason to dislike the character. I think it enriches him and makes him more human.

I wouldn’t say he’s creepy even. That gets thrown around somewhat. He’s leaning into AI for emotional support in exactly the same way folks do with ChatGPT right now. The Brahms simulation merely representing a much more complex form of that.

In a way, his relationship with Brahms is like something from a Black Mirror episode.

I’m gonna watch the sequel later I think.

Cats. Cats, everywhere…

 

[Tomalak]

Yeah, I don't think he comes off that badly, the creepy aspect is the way the holodeck creates a character who flirts with him, and it accesses her personal files (iirc) to give her some personality.

It's not unlike the way current LLMs like ChatGPT have a tendency to always want to please the user to keep them engaged, sometimes telling untruths. And you're right about the emotional support aspect.

The thing that reflects less well on Geordi is that after this experience, later in the season we see Geordi condemn Barclay's behaviour rather than show any sign of understanding. Perhaps he was all-too aware of the similarity and so internalised his shame and masked it with more aggression.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I’ve told people off for doing things I’m guilty of doing plenty of times. I bet most of us have.

Wait… I do that, but I don’t want you to do that!

 

[Jayson1]

Just watched Booby Trap.

Controversial Opinion

I don’t think Geordi being bad around women is a reason to dislike the character. I think it enriches him and makes him more human.

I wouldn’t say he’s creepy even. That gets thrown around somewhat. He’s leaning into AI for emotional support in exactly the same way folks do with ChatGPT right now. The Brahms simulation merely representing a much more complex form of that.

In a way, his relationship with Brahms is like something from a Black Mirror episode.

I’m gonna watch the sequel later I think.

Cats. Cats, everywhere…

I like that episode and Geordi gets to much hate for that episode. The computer made him look bad by not telling him she was married. She was also hostel the literal second she got off the transporter pad, because she didn't like what he did with the engines. Plus she should have paid more attention to the holodeck program and realize it wasn't some sex program.

He probably should have expected real Brahms would be different than hologram Brahams but people can be dumb like that. Just like someone meeting a actor and getting mad that they aren't like the fictional character they play. Also they get married in the end. People seem to forget that they got over it at the end and I guess became friends and then more when the husband was out of the picture for whatever reason.

Which is a nice lesson. One person unfairly hates someone before she meets him. The other person has false expectations based on hope more than anything else.They have conflict but then get over it,once they see the real version of each other and become actual friends.

 

[korblborp]

i wonder if it was the *enterprise herself* trying to put the moves on him XD

i joke a little, but it ocurred to me after my last rewatch that for all the times they address what sentience (or sapience or whetever is the actual correct word) or life itself is, with data and things like the medical nanos and the nont-nanmos. she's given birth at least once (moriarty)...

and geordi dooes know the ship... intimately... and has been all up in her jeffries tubes many times...

 

[knightgrace]

i wonder if it was the *enterprise herself* trying to put the moves on him XD

i joke a little, but it ocurred to me after my last rewatch that for all the times they address what sentience (or sapience or whetever is the actual correct word) or life itself is, with data and things like the medical nanos and the nont-nanmos. she's given birth at least once (moriarty)...

and geordi dooes know the ship... intimately... and has been all up in her jeffries tubes many times...

A dog, cat, or mouse is sentient. Humans should be, as well Sapient. Meaning 'wise', meaning, well educated.

Meaning that if you meet THAT definition, that you are a member of the cult of the wise...meaning that you are a Wizard.

If you have watched 'The Witcher ', they refer to those as "those who know things. '

 

[Jayson1]

i wonder if it was the *enterprise herself* trying to put the moves on him XD

i joke a little, but it ocurred to me after my last rewatch that for all the times they address what sentience (or sapience or whetever is the actual correct word) or life itself is, with data and things like the medical nanos and the nont-nanmos. she's given birth at least once (moriarty)...

and geordi dooes know the ship... intimately... and has been all up in her jeffries tubes many times...

Well it is possible I suppose. The ship literally becomes a living being in season 7, before flying off into space to do who knows what. It also brought life to Moriarty. That self awareness might have already been in the beginning stages of it's existence at this point in the show.

 

[nightwind1]

Meatloaf...AGAIN!

That's a rather tender subject...

 

[cooleddie74]

Two out of three ain't bad.

 

[The Wormhole]

Just watched Booby Trap.

Controversial Opinion

I don’t think Geordi being bad around women is a reason to dislike the character. I think it enriches him and makes him more human.

I wouldn’t say he’s creepy even. That gets thrown around somewhat. He’s leaning into AI for emotional support in exactly the same way folks do with ChatGPT right now. The Brahms simulation merely representing a much more complex form of that.

In a way, his relationship with Brahms is like something from a Black Mirror episode.

I’m gonna watch the sequel later I think.

Cats. Cats, everywhere…

Booby Trap itself isn't so bad in how Geordi acts in spite of the reputation it gets these days. Based on that episode alone you can just write his behavior off as getting swept into the moment and developing a rapport with the hologram, perhaps even momentarily forgetting it was a hologram he was working with. If the matter had been left here, than there would have been no issues at all.

Things take a drastic downward spiral in Galaxy's Child where Geordi automatically assumes he's going to be friends with the real Dr. Brahms just because he got along so well with her holographic counterpart and even gets angry at her for not being like the hologram. That is creepy. Even LeVar Burton is ashamed of that episode. I blame Galaxy's Child on the fact that it was written by someone who we now know didn't have, shall we say, an enlightened attitude towards women (Maurice Hurley).

 

[Worf factor9]

Two out of three ain't bad.

You took the words right out of my...

 

[Forbin]

I kinda felt for Geordi, 'cause I've never known how to talk to women. I was just lucky that an equally nerdy girl fell for me.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Booby Trap itself isn't so bad in how Geordi acts in spite of the reputation it gets these days. Based on that episode alone you can just write his behavior off as getting swept into the moment and developing a rapport with the hologram, perhaps even momentarily forgetting it was a hologram he was working with. If the matter had been left here, than there would have been no issues at all.

Things take a drastic downward spiral in Galaxy's Child where Geordi automatically assumes he's going to be friends with the real Dr. Brahms just because he got along so well with her holographic counterpart and even gets angry at her for not being like the hologram. That is creepy. Even LeVar Burton is ashamed of that episode. I blame Galaxy's Child on the fact that it was written by someone who we now know didn't have, shall we say, an enlightened attitude towards women (Maurice Hurley).

I still don’t think that’s creepy.

It’s more like when someone meets an actor and feels annoyed they don’t behave like the character(s) that they play.

Galaxy’s Child is up for rewatch.

 

[fireproof78]

you have watched 'The Witcher ', they refer to those as "those who know things. '

 

[ananta]

I finally got around to starting to Prodigy season two (not having had a Netflix account). Always had somewhat mixed feelings and see it as a missed opportunity.

I think they did a good job creating appealing, likeable characters. I can’t help but think this show would have worked much better if it had been episodic, with simpler plots that had a beginning, middle and end. The story arc they got hampered with is so incredibly convoluted and confusing. The idea was sound but the approach was just off. Even I haven’t much of a clue what’s happening at times.

It’s also far too much Voyager 2.0 for me. Which I think was cynically calculated on the part of the producers/execs because, for whatever reason, Voyager got the highest streaming numbers.

 

[1001001]

It’s also far too much Voyager 2.0 for me. Which I think was cynically calculated on the part of the producers/execs because, for whatever reason, Voyager got the highest streaming numbers.

That’s because Voyager Rules!

 

[ananta]

That’s because Voyager Rules!

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In some mirror universe

 

[fireproof78]

In some mirror universe

Mostly on streaming charts.

 

[Firebird]

Just watched Booby Trap.

Controversial Opinion

I don’t think Geordi being bad around women is a reason to dislike the character. I think it enriches him and makes him more human.

I wouldn’t say he’s creepy even. That gets thrown around somewhat. He’s leaning into AI for emotional support in exactly the same way folks do with ChatGPT right now. The Brahms simulation merely representing a much more complex form of that.

In a way, his relationship with Brahms is like something from a Black Mirror episode.

I’m gonna watch the sequel later I think.

Cats. Cats, everywhere…

The follow-up "Galaxy's Child" also teaches Geordi and the audience the value of always clearing your browser history.

 

[Jayson1]

I still don’t think that’s creepy.

It’s more like when someone meets an actor and feels annoyed they don’t behave like the character(s) that they play.

Galaxy’s Child is up for rewatch.

I agree. It's a very human type of thing and frankly would be very common in a world of holograms. The idea of the real person being like their hologram. Especially when the computer said she would be like a 97% accurate representation of the women or some high number like that. The Enterprise computer really screwed over Geordi in that season 3 episode. Actually it's soon to be our own world as well with the coming of AI.