What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[HotRod]

I live in hope of someday revisiting the Lost Era onscreen, though after the performance of Section 31 I suspect the only way they're going to roll those dice again is with Young Picard on the Stargazer.

I genuinely did like Kacey Rohl as Garrett. She certainly looked the part, but I also enjoyed how she played her. I remain hopeful that maybe someday, far away removed from the whole section 31 debacle, we get a return to her as the character. We got Pike from the mess of Discovery. Maybe we'll get Garrett from the mess that was Section 31.

 

[Lord Garth]

Cut "Inquisition" and "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" together. That's my makeshift Section 31 TV Movie.

 

[Lord Garth]

I finally did re-watch the actual Section 31 TV Movie, last month, and upgraded my opinion from "What the Hell was that?!?!!" to Guilty Pleasure.

Now this is where I head into another Controversial Opinion (which basically happens any time I open my mouth about New Trek). I'm far more likely to re-watch Section 31 in the future than I am the Kelvin Movies. Mainly because I'm a fan of Discovery and of Michelle Yeoh. Whereas I'm not a fan of the Kelvin Movies and haven't followed any of the actors there in anything else.

If I watch Section 31 a third time, I'll have seen it more times than Into Darkness and Beyond.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Mainly because I'm a fan of Discovery and of Michelle Yeoh.

Even Michelle Yeoh could not make me watch more. It's diminishing returns: the more we see, the less mystery that surrounds it, the more Section 31 is boring and convoluted.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I finally did re-watch the actual Section 31 TV Movie, last month, and upgraded my opinion from "What the Hell was that?!?!!" to Guilty Pleasure.

Now this is where I head into another Controversial Opinion (which basically happens any time I open my mouth about New Trek). I'm far more likely to re-watch Section 31 in the future than I am the Kelvin Movies. Mainly because I'm a fan of Discovery and of Michelle Yeoh. Whereas I'm not a fan of the Kelvin Movies and haven't followed any of the actors there in anything else.

If I watch Section 31 a third time, I'll have seen it more times than Into Darkness and Beyond.

Go do one better. I'll watch Section 31 again before I watch Voyager.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Go do one better. I'll watch Section 31 again before I watch Voyager.

I will go in the other direction: I'll only watch a Section 31 story is it centers on Bashir.

 

[BillJ]

I’m simply not interested in Section 31, in any form.

 

[Nyotarules]

I enjoyed the Section 31 movie.

I don't care that Emperor Georgiou was a space Hitler. She is a fictional character.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I enjoyed the Section 31 movie.

I don't care that Emperor Georgiou was a space Hitler. She is a fictional character.

She's a very intriguing character, just like Garak.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think the Hitler analogy is poor anyway. Hitler hated the Jewish. Hated them. I don't think Georgiou hates anyone, she's indifferent. Plus, Hitler didn't rise through anything Hunger Games style. "It hasn't been six months yet!" Close enough.

 

[BillJ]

Empress Georgiou is a poorly thought out cartoon character.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Your average Star Trek character then.

 

[HotRod]

I've never liked how the Empress was played. I've always liked Michelle Yeoh, but she played Empress Georgiou like she was a villian from the 1966 Batman series.

 

[BillJ]

Your average Star Trek character then.

That’s the thing, she’s more poorly thought out than Chekov or Kim or Mayweather.

If Yeoh’s movie career hadn’t taken off, we would’ve likely not heard as much from the character as we did.

 

[cooleddie74]

Empress Georgiou is a poorly thought out cartoon character.

And even Michelle Yeoh can't overcome that.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I've never liked how the Empress was played. I've always liked Michelle Yeoh, but she played Empress Georgiou like she was a villian from the 1966 Batman series.

So, like any other character that originated in the Mirror Universe, then?

 

[HotRod]

So, like any other character that originated in the Mirror Universe, then?

Worse. But that's just me. I've never liked a single Mirror Universe episode outside of "In a Mirror Darkly." And the only reason I liked that was because I got hooked into the TOS nostalgia.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Worse. But that's just me. I've never liked a single Mirror Universe episode outside of "In a Mirror Darkly." And the only reason I liked that was because I got hooked into the TOS nostalgia.

I don't see Georgiou as being any different from Sato or the Intendant.

 

[Lord Garth]

On the flip-side: the only Mirror Universe episode I outright disliked was "The Emperor's New Cloak", from DS9's seventh season. That's it.

Even as a non-ENT Fan, I got into "In the Mirror, Darkly". But -- another Controversial Opinion -- I consider the Discovery version of the Mirror Universe to be the Definitive Version. It did it true justice on Streaming TV in a way that Broadcast TV never could.

 

[Tallguy]

The whole premise of Section 31 is that they are BAD. Not that they are a necessary evil but just that they are evil. Add in Empress Georgiou and they are a FUN and QUIRKY evil.

Again, a show about a Star Trek intelligence agency could be cool. But everybody who writes TV (and it's been this way for a long time) wants to write a John le Carre style "There is no good side and no bad side but only different sides" anti-morality play.

But you can't do that with Star Trek. Heck, they didn't even do that on ANDOR. The Rebels might not have been shining white anymore but the Empire was still pitch black.

"Does the Federation have / is Starfleet a military?" Gadzooks, if we can't even answer that question how can we possibly accept an organization of SPIES? So there must be an organization so secret that they don't answer to ANYBODY who might be on the side of righteousness.

If there is no possible good to be seen in the defense of the Federation then how can one ever justify intelligence on the neighbors?

Mind you, these are the neighbors who cross our borders with cloaked ships and blow up an outpost or two just to see what we'll do about it AND see if they can beat us. The neighbors who occasionally poison the food supplies of entire colonies. The neighbors who cloak entire planets INSIDE Federation borders and positively drool at the idea of Starfleet saying "boo" about it. (We miss you Andreas!)

Sneaking away with a cloaking device (and the ship's captain, but that was an accident) without firing a shot seems pretty cuddly by comparison, doesn't it?