What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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That's an understatement.
How many episodes before they said "Hey, this thing we're doing is SUPER important. Starfleet says 'Floor it!'" Kind of like a Carbon Credit.
It would have been really interesting because it would have introduced SCARCITY into the TNG paradise. And nobody was having anything to do with that. Might lead to money.
Kirk was suffering from the effects of the Rigelian fever. He wasn't in his right mind.
Any season that includes Carbon Creek and Dead Stop deserves a little credit.
Regeneration was pretty good too. Side note: Rooney (the researcher who was assimilated) was played by John Billingsley's wife (and my good pal) Bonnie.
Minefield was enjoyable as well.
Just a lot of mediocre in between, unfortunately.
Kirk was suffering from the effects of the Rigelian fever. He wasn't in his right mind.
Then what's he doing there?
Seriously, give me a hint of that in a throaway line and I might be inclined to give it a pass.What's he doing there if he's sick? Oh. Right.l Shatner's the star. Can't just have a Spock and McCoy episode.
What a tangled Web that would be.Oh. Right.l Shatner's the star. Can't just have a Spock and McCoy episode.
I'll even add "First Flight" to that lineup. Keith Carradine's A.G. Robinson is one of the standout guest characters of the series and we finally get to see how Archer and Trip first met and started the friendship.
The second season of ENT is the last one I'm doing of the "bad" seasons. DS9's "worst" season, Season 1, isn't considered bad so much as just weaker. And no specific season of VOY has ever been singled out to my knowledge. "All of them!" Nope. I'm not doing that.
Then there's Streaming Trek: a lot more time needs to pass before I'd even think about touching those. We need some more distance. Recency Bias, for or against, also needs to wear off.
But let's dive into this. Bear in mind I'm a non-fan of ENT.
ENT Season 2
"Shockwave, Part II" --> Don't remember much about it, except 31st Century ruins.
"Carbon Creek" --> Vulcans in the 1950s. Not bad, but I don't get all the fawning over it.
"Minefield" --> If this is the one where Reed wishes Archer was more of a hard-ass, I like this one.
"Dead Stop" --> I like this one too. A relay station in the middle of nowhere is like a gas station garage on the highway.
"A Night in Sickbay" --> Zzzzzzz.....
"Marauders" --> Milquetoast. Something about this episode feels very TV Land.
"The Seventh" --> I don't really remember this one.
"The Communicator" --> I don't remember this episode at all.
"Singularity" --> Is this the one where the crew becomes obsessive with ridiculous things? If it is, I like this one.
"Vanishing Point" --> I don't remember this one very well either.
"Precious Cargo" --> I remember this one being terrible.
"The Catwalk" --> Another one I don't remember.
"Dawn" --> Okay in and of itself, but "Darmok" it's not.
"Stigma" --> All I remember is that most of the Vulcans were assholes.
"Cease Fire" --> I don't remember this one.
"Future Tense" --> I don't remember this one.
"Canamar" --> I don't remember this one.
"The Crossing" --> I don't remember this one.
"Judgement" --> Good episode. Nice to see Not-Martok.
"Horizon" --> Nice to see more Space Boomers!
"The Breach" --> Good episode.
"Congenator" --> Single best episode of the season.
"Regeneration" --> Good, but not great. It uses the Borg the only way ENT would be able to.
"First Flight" --> Good episode.
"Bounty" --> Barely Remember. I think it reintroduces the Tallerites.
"The Expanse" --> "I'm George W. Bush, your President, and I approve of this very patriotical episode of Star Trek. May God continue to bless America!" But seriously, I like this episode. It's the shot in the arm ENT clearly needed, since most of the season didn't stick to my memory.
Overall:
Okay/Good/Better --> 10 episodes
Mediocre --> 2 episodes
Don't Remember --> 12 episodes!!!!!
Zzzzzzz/Terrible --> 2 episodes
I can't even remember half the season! That's what I have to say about it! And I just watched the whole thing not even three years ago! So, yeah, I stand by what I've said before. I think it's the worst season of Star Trek. Why? Because it's the most forgettable.
Then there's Streaming Trek: a lot more time needs to pass before I'd even think about touching those. We need some more distance. Recency Bias, for or against, also needs to wear off.
But let's dive into this. Bear in mind I'm a non-fan of ENT.
ENT Season 2
"Shockwave, Part II" --> Don't remember much about it, except 31st Century ruins.
"Carbon Creek" --> Vulcans in the 1950s. Not bad, but I don't get all the fawning over it.
"Minefield" --> If this is the one where Reed wishes Archer was more of a hard-ass, I like this one.
"Dead Stop" --> I like this one too. A relay station in the middle of nowhere is like a gas station garage on the highway.
"A Night in Sickbay" --> Zzzzzzz.....
"Marauders" --> Milquetoast. Something about this episode feels very TV Land.
"The Seventh" --> I don't really remember this one.
"The Communicator" --> I don't remember this episode at all.
"Singularity" --> Is this the one where the crew becomes obsessive with ridiculous things? If it is, I like this one.
"Vanishing Point" --> I don't remember this one very well either.
"Precious Cargo" --> I remember this one being terrible.
"The Catwalk" --> Another one I don't remember.
"Dawn" --> Okay in and of itself, but "Darmok" it's not.
"Stigma" --> All I remember is that most of the Vulcans were assholes.
"Cease Fire" --> I don't remember this one.
"Future Tense" --> I don't remember this one.
"Canamar" --> I don't remember this one.
"The Crossing" --> I don't remember this one.
"Judgement" --> Good episode. Nice to see Not-Martok.
"Horizon" --> Nice to see more Space Boomers!
"The Breach" --> Good episode.
"Congenator" --> Single best episode of the season.
"Regeneration" --> Good, but not great. It uses the Borg the only way ENT would be able to.
"First Flight" --> Good episode.
"Bounty" --> Barely Remember. I think it reintroduces the Tallerites.
"The Expanse" --> "I'm George W. Bush, your President, and I approve of this very patriotical episode of Star Trek. May God continue to bless America!" But seriously, I like this episode. It's the shot in the arm ENT clearly needed, since most of the season didn't stick to my memory.
Overall:
Okay/Good/Better --> 10 episodes
Mediocre --> 2 episodes
Don't Remember --> 12 episodes!!!!!
Zzzzzzz/Terrible --> 2 episodes
I can't even remember half the season! That's what I have to say about it! And I just watched the whole thing not even three years ago! So, yeah, I stand by what I've said before. I think it's the worst season of Star Trek. Why? Because it's the most forgettable.
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Have to agree that Kirk being so completely in love after a couple of hours, having to be reminded that his crew desperately needed the Ritalin, was unexplained….way out of character. Nevertheless, I love “Requiem for Methuselah.” Thought it was interesting that Jerome Bixby originally had Flint‘s many lifetimes include Moses, Jesus, and Picasso….NBC rejected those. Spock’s “Forget” gesture was going to be from a distance, in another part of the ship. Also Louise Sorel and Shatner had played lovers earlier, on an episode of Route 66. Maybe that’s partly why Shatner really was attracted to Sorel as Rayna – filming had to be paused at times so he could, uh, calm down.Kirk was suffering from the effects of the Rigelian fever. He wasn't in his right mind.
To me, overall season 3 is just as good as the rest of TOS.
"Requiem for Methuselah" to me is an ideas episode that requires a minimum of gimmckry and optical effects to tell its story. Aside from Flint's personal defense robots and the shrinking of the Enterprise to desktop size there really isn't any need for hours of effects work. It takes place in the library and other rooms of a castle on a remote planetoid and Flint and the Starfleet officers talk about the nature of the human species and our vicissitudes and failings. Much like "The Empath" - for me, anyways - it works because it's an example of budget restraints in the third season forcing the writers to tell interesting stories that wouldn't require location shooting or thousands and thousands of dollars in complicated opticals and stunt work.
Regarding DS9 season 1 being weak... even that show's weakest season had numerous standout episodes.
"EMISSARY", "CAPTIVE PURSUIT", "MOVE ALONG HOME", "PROGRESS", "DUET", and "IN THE HANDS OF THE PROPHETS".
That's 7 out of 20 episodes... pretty damn good average for a weak season.
"EMISSARY", "CAPTIVE PURSUIT", "MOVE ALONG HOME", "PROGRESS", "DUET", and "IN THE HANDS OF THE PROPHETS".
That's 7 out of 20 episodes... pretty damn good average for a weak season.
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"Duet" would be peak DS9 in any season.
That was never gonna get past the guy who counted lines weekly to make sure he had more than Nimoy.
Never a favorite of mine...
I wasnt a fan of Regeneration from the perspective that it indicates the crew of the Enterprise did a shit job of cleaning up after First Contact. I mean, how do they not think to scan the planet for debris.
but ignoring that it is a good ep.
The only true stinkers for me are Dawn, Bounty and Precious Cargo. The rest rank from meh (The Crossing, Marauders, A Night In Sickbay) to really great (Carbon Creek, The Expanse, Minefield, Dead Stop, The Cogenator)
And yet for the Tholian WEB it did.
This is true, but I think that passed Shatner's inspection for the same reason that Montalban ultimately decided to reprise Khan for TWOK: he didn't have much screen time, but he was unquestionably the center of attention. The plot still revolved around him.
The horrible thing was I had to use Jammer's Review Site as a cheat sheet just to figure out which episode was which. And even then I couldn't remember half of them!
No other Star Trek series is it like that for me.
Was he behaving out of character? Recall how he described himself to Spock in the episode's final act:
"..and a young and lonely man."
Emotionally, by the time of the Ritalin mission, Kirk had suffered a number of romantic losses; he might be "married" to the Enterprise, but the series was clear in painting him as a man who sought the permanent romance with the right woman. With each attempt failing (including one he had to accept its tragic end), Kirk meeting Rayna and quickly falling for her could be said to be the end result of that romantic longing and loneliness. Through it all, he was still in possession of his professional mind with his concern over the Ritalin, but the heart is the heart, and he could not switch off what he was going through on the emotional level.
I would not say that, but it has some of the series' best and most defining episodes. I find it re-watchable and more enjoyable than the Berman-era ST series, which takes some great effort to even consider revisiting.
Well, to me it seems the way Kirk is written throughout TOS, he’s open to brief flings with the women he meets-- but avoiding, not seeking a serious relationship, as he laments in “Naked Time.” Out of all the potential romances, I’d say the only two Kirk truly cared about were Edith Keeler and Rayna-- Edith belonging to the distant past, and Rayna not even human. Miramanee doesn’t count since he’d lost his memory in the obelisk.
And maybe what the writers intended to convey was that his feelings for both Edith and Rayna weren’t so much passionate love as guilt, for being the cause of their deaths. Spock had more reason to do the “forget” maneuver after Kirk let Keeler be killed....she was human, shared the same values, and they spent more time together. (Wish they’d kept Ellison's original name, Koestler – it didn’t sound so anti-pacifist)
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