What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[eschaton]

I found Worf more interesting on DS9, largely because he got to rub elbows with other Klingons a little more frequently. I am generally not a big Klingon fan, but Martok made that work. TNG had it but it always felt very static. But, then Worf could feel very static.

A lot of Worf on early TNG was basically just saying the wrong thing in meetings in the ready room and repeatedly getting his ass kicked to show how "powerful" someone was (which made him look like a wuss).

He got better as time went on - particularly once Ron Moore started writing him regularly - but the whole Duras thing was just a bit too melodramatic for me, and seeing Worf repeatedly be a terrible father to Alexander got boring.

 

[fireproof78]

A lot of Worf on early TNG was basically just saying the wrong thing in meetings in the ready room and repeatedly getting his ass kicked to show how "powerful" someone was (which made him look like a wuss).

He got better as time went on - particularly once Ron Moore started writing him regularly - but the whole Duras thing was just a bit too melodramatic for me, and seeing Worf repeatedly be a terrible father to Alexander got boring.

Yeah, the whole parenting aspect was one of the larger downsides for Worf. Frustrating because of how important he felt being a Klingon was, yet unable to take time to impart that to Alexander, except in the most formal of ways.

 

[tesral]

To be honest, I never found Worf that interesting, either on TNG or DS9. But that could simply be because I don't really identify too much with the character (I'm not trying to fit in in a society with a different culture, for example).

He had some good lines however. "If winning doesn't matter, why keep score?"

 

[Farscape One]

As much as I hated that he was bad father, I do respect that the writers at least gave him a character flaw. Made him more realistic.

(I actually know people who are terrible fathers, but good people in most every other way about them. So it's not as unrealistic as one might expect.)

 

[fireproof78]

As much as I hated that he was bad father, I do respect that the writers at least gave him a character flaw. Made him more realistic.

(I actually know people who are terrible fathers, but good people in most every other way about them. So it's not as unrealistic as one might expect.)

I work with terrible parents all the time. I get that it is completely realistic, and that people with extremely high standards have deep blind spots when it comes to kids. But, bad parenting is one of those things that gets under my skin super quick so watching super serious Worf and that failing just falls flat. His whole romantic side of life was just uninteresting.

 

[Ragitsu]

For me that's not controversial but the truth.
I don't even remember much what Worf did in DS9 but because TNG is my favourite, that's where he belongs. =)

Worf became too much of an angsty teenager on DS9; that Risa episode in particular is plain embarrassing.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Let He Who Is Without Sin(DS9)" is just plain one of the worst episodes of Trek ever filmed, and yes, I'm including modern streaming Trek. Monte Markham and Worf deserved a whole lot better and so did we.

 

[fireproof78]

It is an awful episode and a poor reflection of the understanding of Worf, the Federation and relationships in general. Absurdist front to back and I detest Risa all the more for it.

 

[eschaton]

"Let He Who Is Without Sin(DS9)" is just plain one of the worst episodes of Trek ever filmed, and yes, I'm including modern streaming Trek. Monte Markham and Worf deserved a whole lot better and so did we.

It is an awful episode and a poor reflection of the understanding of Worf, the Federation and relationships in general. Absurdist front to back and I detest Risa all the more for it.

It was a dreadful episode, but there was that one decent scene sandwiched in the middle where Worf finally lets it slip why he's this restrained prig instead of the typical bawdy Klingon.

 

[Ragitsu]

I also thought she could frequently be pretty bitchy.

Believe it or not, some men truly relish that behavior; paradoxical though it may be, they find contentment in contention.

 

[Farscape One]

It was a dreadful episode, but there was that one decent scene sandwiched in the middle where Worf finally lets it slip why he's this restrained prig instead of the typical bawdy Klingon.

That was the only redeeming thing about that episode.

 

[Farscape One]

Believe it or not, some men truly relish that behavior; paradoxical though it may be, they find contentment in contention.

Those are referred to as masochists, because there is no other explanation why anyone would willingly endure and enjoy that.

 

[Orphalesion]

Believe it or not, some men truly relish that behavior; paradoxical though it may be, they find contentment in contention.

I don't just mean in her relationship with Worf, she kinda was bitchy to everyone. And now, a bitchy character can be very entertaining, but they have to be witty, sharp-tongued and/or outrageous to manage that, and Jadzia really was none of those things. She just did stuff like rearranging Odo's furniture while he was in his liquid state ahurhurhur, what a master of mischief that Dax is

 

[Oddish]

I didn't see Jadzia as bichy, she was just inscrutable early on. And then when the creators of the show completely rewrote Trills so that the host was the dominant personality rather than the slug, she seemed more mischievous and playful. Having fun was important to her.

 

[Orphalesion]

I didn't see Jadzia as bichy, she was just inscrutable early on.

Na, I'm talking about later Jadzia. Early Jadzia was just boring. We were often told what she supposedly was like, but seldomly shown.

she seemed more mischievous and playful.

I think that's how they wanted us to see her, but I disagree that she came across as such. To me she often just came across as a giant b-word.

 

[PCz911]

?… Deep Dish Nine.

I literally spit out my martini. I had not heard this before! Brilliant!

 

[Paul755]

Jadzia could be bitchy for sure, look at the wedding episode and her attitude towards Martoks wife up until she was scolded by Sisko.

But all the characters had moments when they weren’t at their best. Sisko, Quark, Odo, Kira, etc… could all be real a-holes. But for the most part I thought Jadzias default setting in the mid and later seasons was more on playful/mischievous/flirty side with a fair dab of sarcasm.

 

[Oddish]

Star Trek: The Next Degeneration
Star Trek: Deep Dish Nine
Star Trek: V-Ger Seeks the Creator
Star Trek: Booby Prize
Star Trek: Recovery
Star Trek: Lowered Pants
Star Trek: Pro Football
Star Trek: Strange Nude Words

 

[eschaton]

But for the most part I thought Jadzias default setting in the mid and later seasons was more on playful/mischievous/flirty side with a fair dab of sarcasm.

They basically completely redid her character to play to Terry Farrell's limited range.

I mean, she was meant to be a science officer, but Farrell couldn't remember her technobabble lines, and had to resort to cue cards.

 

[1001001]

I mean, she was meant to be a science officer, but Farrell couldn't remember her technobabble lines, and had to resort to cue cards.

Robert Picardo used to tape his lines to the bio-bed in sick bay because he couldn’t remember all the technobabble.