What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I see JJ as a magnifying force. He does good when he is paired with good writers, but struggles with more average writers.
TVH is not funny. It’s hilarious. And that’s from someone whose love for it has waned over the years.
Sulu and the helicopter windscreen wipers is a fantastic throw away nugget of gold.
“You mess with me, mister, and we’re through!”
“We are? May I go now?”
Sulu and the helicopter windscreen wipers is a fantastic throw away nugget of gold.
“You mess with me, mister, and we’re through!”
“We are? May I go now?”
It is the most comedic entry of all the films.
And real humor too. Not now Madeline, Too much LDS. etc. Not a, boob getting firmer in sight.
And real humor too. Not now Madeline, Too much LDS. etc. Not a, boob getting firmer in sight.
I concur, it was the most "Star Trek" like movie and didn't feel like your typical Summer BlockBuster Action flick.
And it was directed by Justin Lin, a true Star Trek fan who directed several "Fast & Furious" movies.
And Justin Lin managed to get "ST: Beyond" closer to being Star Trek than ST:2009 or ST: ID.
"true Star Trek" fan. 
Glad he passed the exam to direct the film. Can't have those fake fans running around...
Controversial opinion: I don't understand the bar set for "true fans." Most bizarre thing in a fandom priding itself on diversity.
Glad he passed the exam to direct the film. Can't have those fake fans running around...
Controversial opinion: I don't understand the bar set for "true fans." Most bizarre thing in a fandom priding itself on diversity.
True Star Trek fans have already spent a lot of time training to understand what makes Star Trek feel like Star Trek so they have an advantage. Lots of good directors who aren't Trek fans could also direct a good Trek film, if they did the research and watched enough of it... but if they watched all that Star Trek and still weren't a fan afterwards are they really a good fit for the job?
"time and training?" Ok, then I'm not a true fan either since apparently I didn't train to become such.
Look, I find this whole idea ridiculous. If they are a fan, or not, has nothing to do with the product produced. They are professionals who should be able to surmount the barrier of not being familiar to construct a good story. Nick Meyer did exactly that, and remains "not a fan" of Trek. Fan status doesn't mean they can't do a good job. Making Star Trek doesn't require a fan degree.
Sorry, this gets under my skin hard. It's basically barring people from participating in the franchise if they don't meet some nebulous standard that can't be defined, but basically is set up to exclude people who don't pass it. How is that diverse?
Exactly. So let's discard the "true fan" nonsense.
Yeah, because having JJ-Abrams direct ST:2009 and ST:ID was such a great idea vs getting a different director to do it; one who was a life-long ST fan from the get go, despite having far less budget to work with."true Star Trek" fan.
Glad he passed the exam to direct the film. Can't have those fake fans running around...
Controversial opinion: I don't understand the bar set for "true fans." Most bizarre thing in a fandom priding itself on diversity.
Abrams did amazing with 09 and decently with ID, aside from the Khan nonsense, which I throw at Orci and Lindelöf more than Abrams, both of whom are supposed fans.
Fan status is a poor standard and should be discarded very quickly.
I don't mean you do it deliberately! As you're watching the series and movies you're subconsciously picking up on the 'rules'. You're identifying the strands of DNA that make something Star Trek and not Farscape or Stargate or Battlestar Galactica.
Nick Meyer put in the time to learn about Star Trek. I don't know if he enjoys the series, but he got his 'fan degree'.
It's not a nebulous standard to say "people who make a thing should know what they're making, and hopefully even like it". And literally anyone with either eyes or ears or both can be a fan of Star Trek movies and episodes, so if that isn't enough diversity for you I don't know what to say.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
On the Disney side with the Mandalorian, having a real fan at the Directors helm has made the show more enjoyable IMO.
Exactly. Nick Meyer did go back and watch the ST TOS TV series
He put in the work, whether or not he's a fan after the fact is up to him.
But I really do appreciate the work he put in before he even started his part.
Doing the HW / Research is important IMO.
Knowing the rules doesn't make one a fan. I know the rules of lots of different creative franchises, and could probably write reasonably well in them. My wife would do even better. She is not a "fan" of most franchises, aside from two. Knowledge =/= fan to me.
Knowing it doesn't mean liking it. That's the nebulous standard. It becomes "well how much of a fan are you? Did you like it? Love it? How much?"
It's too much hair splitting to me. It's frustrating as
to hear "true fan" as though they know the secret to making good Trek. They don't."Real fan."
I will be a fake fan from now on. What an exclusive little club that term conjures up.
Never mind the Mandalorian BS. That show is as basic as bread and butter.
It's TOO late for you to be a "Fake Fan". You're already in TOO deep."Real fan."
I will be a fake fan from now on. What an exclusive little club that term conjures up.
You're one of us, whether or not you like it. That won't change.
Your knowledge of Star Trek won't just up and disappear.
So you're a "Real/True Fan", whether or not you like it.
Nothing you state will change that fact.
And yet so many of us LOVE "The Mandalorian".
To be honest when I hear the term "real fan" I assume it means "a big fan" and not "a legitimate fan". Maybe I'm just being naive, I don't know!
We're all Real/True Fans on this BBS.
The amount of minutiae that we know would easily outpace most casual fans.
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