What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[fireproof78]

Or the 3 hour extended DVD release.

While I am no fan of TMP it is a very grand film. However, and this is reminiscent of many other Trek plots, the lack of urgency around the mission is completely sucked out in to space with that space tour. Tell me that the Enterprise is the only ship in range and then fly circles around the hero ship. It looks very pretty...and that's it.

 

[Vale]

While I am no fan of TMP it is a very grand film. However, and this is reminiscent of many other Trek plots, the lack of urgency around the mission is completely sucked out in to space with that space tour. Tell me that the Enterprise is the only ship in range and then fly circles around the hero ship. It looks very pretty...and that's it.

Would Kirk arriving on board the Enterprise five minutes earlier have made any difference to her being ready to depart? Or is there an argument to be made that a close-up visual inspection of the ship he's about to board (and steal command of), and is less than entirely familiar with technologically, is a worthy use of the time – especially given they'd have to cross over in the pod anyway?

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Melkotians in that episode were certainly one of the weirdest and most alien species in TOS. A floating head with dangling tentacles that had glowing eyes and communicated by telepathy. That would be ingenious for Trek now much less in 1968.

Plus their avantgarde design sense.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Human buildings are just facades and no rooves, right? Oh well, just go with it. They'll be so confused they won't care."

 

[fireproof78]

Would Kirk arriving on board the Enterprise five minutes earlier have made any difference to her being ready to depart? Or is there an argument to be made that a close-up visual inspection of the ship he's about to board (and steal command of), and is less than entirely familiar with technologically, is a worthy use of the time – especially given they'd have to cross over in the pod anyway?

It undermines the urgency.

 

[Farscape One]

Considering Kirk was not familiar with the new design, a tour of the outside while all the crew were prepping the Enterprise was a good idea. They were working for hours straight, and still were not ready, so a 10-15 minute pod tour was not going to make a bit of difference.

Learning your newly refit ship before starting the mission is a good thing. Preparation prevents many problems.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

It looks very pretty...and that's it.

Context is for kings though. It's easy to overlook the fact that in '79, the Enterprise was represented on tiny cathode ray tubes by a slightly hokey model flying by on grainy footage that was a decade old. To those fans in the cinema at the time, it must have been beautiful.

Also it should be remembered that for some fans (not myself), the ships are as much characters as the crew are. I was born in 1979 so I was way too young to see TMP at the cinema, but I know my Mom did and she often related how the majesty of the Enterprise in the flyby reduced her to tears. It was the Enterprise that had existed in her mind, not the model from the TV show, finally brought to screen.

Whenever she talked about TMP, even decades later, she'd gush over the flyby. I think it's lovely too.

Learning your newly refit ship before starting the mission is a good thing. Preparation prevents many problems.

It's long been established that Kirk adores the Enterprise. After not having seen her for years and after a very extensive refit, it makes perfect sense he'd want to have a good look at 'his' ship.

 

[GNDN18]

Enterprise was represented on tiny cathode ray tubes by a slightly hokey model flying by on grainy footage

 

[fireproof78]

Whenever she talked about TMP, even decades later, she'd gush over the flyby. I think it's lovely too.

It does look beautiful. I'll never deny that or it's well shot majesty. But, from a film point of view it is poorly placed in terms of pacing and diminishes the urgency.

For me, filmmaking is not just "does this make sense " but also "do the characters react appropriately for the moment. " The ship shot is very much for the audience.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Plus even if it's true that the Enterprise is a character, it's unfair that they didn't give all the other characters their own 5 minute flyby too.

 

[tesral]

Controversial Opinion:

I think Trek gets a lot of judgement by folks for having "fantasy science" and things like that, where it is completely undeserved.

Fantasy Sceicne...now.

 

[tesral]

Plus even if it's true that the Enterprise is a character, it's unfair that they didn't give all the other characters their own 5 minute flyby too.

I would be in favor of an Uhura flyby.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It just belongs in a different film.

It was in the right film.

We need more gratuitous space shots of our ships =D

 

[fireproof78]

It was in the right film.

We need more gratuitous space shots of our ships =D

Emphasis on gratuitous.
Fine but not after introducing a thing out to destroy Earth. Leisurely strolls are fine after the danger is done.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Plus even if it's true that the Enterprise is a character, it's unfair that they didn't give all the other characters their own 5 minute flyby too.

Well, none of the crew members are 300m in length, so there's that.

 

[Farscape One]

For me, filmmaking is not just "does this make sense " but also "do the characters react appropriately for the moment. " The ship shot is very much for the audience.

That scene was very appropriate for the characters in it... Kirk, Scotty, and the Enterprise. (Yes, our hero ships ARE characters in their own right.)

The two people in TOS who had the most pride about the Enterprise were the two in that pod, taking in the view.

Being a beauty shot and welcome home for the audience was a side benefit, but what a benefit!

 

[Richard S. Ta]

That scene was very appropriate for the characters in it... Kirk, Scotty, and the Enterprise. (Yes, our hero ships ARE characters in their own right.)

The two people in TOS who had the most pride about the Enterprise were the two in that pod, taking in the view.

Being a beauty shot and welcome home for the audience was a side benefit, but what a benefit!

Beautifully put. I forgot it was Scott with Kirk!

 

[fireproof78]

That scene was very appropriate for the characters in it... Kirk, Scotty, and the Enterprise. (Yes, our hero ships ARE characters in their own right.)

The two people in TOS who had the most pride about the Enterprise were the two in that pod, taking in the view.

Being a beauty shot and welcome home for the audience was a side benefit, but what a benefit!

Agree to disagree. The pacing is out of place for a so called emergency. Never mind the ship as characters piece-I'll never agree to that.

 

[Farscape One]

I can agree that as a film, that scene could drag the pace down.

But as the first new STAR TREK in 10 years, it was a joy to behold.

(I was born in 1979 so I never got to see it in the theater. But I can imagine it.)

But I will always feel that scene was not only necessary, but was in character with established behavior from TOS.

Fair enough about her not being a character in your view... many people don't see the Enterprise like that. Thankfully, I do see her as a beautiful character.

 

[Henoch]

Never mind the ship as characters piece-I'll never agree to that.

ALICE 471fireproof78: The Enterprise is not a want or a desire. It is a mechanical device.
KIRK: No, it's a beautiful lady, and we love her.
ALICE 471fireproof78: Illogical. Illogical.

<Just a little jest at your expense, my friend. >