What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. drt

    drt Commodore Commodore

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    Eh, TUC did the same thing with Praxis' explosion and Generations with Armagosa. We just have to accept that in the Star Trek universe some events cause devastating subspace ripples or something.
     
  2. Mytran

    Mytran Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    With regard to Praxis I think there was a line about a "subspace shockwave" within the movie itself, so that problem is sidestepped somewhat.

    The Amargosa star situation is arguably worse because the dialogue (being TNG) is that much more specific:
    DATA: The destruction of the Amargosa star has altered the gravitational forces throughout this sector. As a result any ship passing through this region would have to make a minor course correction.
    As detailed in the Nitpicker's Guide; gravity is caused by mass and the mass of the star is only reduced by the shedding off of matter. So until that matter has dispersed beyond the region there won't be a change in gravity, certainly not an instantaneous one!
     
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  3. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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  4. drt

    drt Commodore Commodore

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    I guess since Aramgosa was destroyed by a trilithium weapon we can hypothesize a similar subspace effect as with Praxis. The star's mass had to have been dumped out of regular space as part of it destruction for Data's statements to make sense. Perhaps the Hobus star had massive amounts of dilithium or trilithium and going supernova caused a subspace shockwave that threatened nearby systems.
     
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  5. Tallguy

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    Somewhat grasping at straws, JJ09 was describing a natural event (taking into account JJ doesn't word very well, see also The Resistance) while TUC and GEN are not. (At least Red Matter doesn't have to act like a thing.)

    Mind you, they're all dumb in increasing degrees.
     
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  6. Ovation

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    Trek physics has never made sense. Once one accepts this incontrovertible truth, it’s much easier to enjoy any of its iterations.
     
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  7. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    Be careful you don’t encounter any “Anti-Time”.

    :lol:
     
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  8. Ovation

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    Pfft. I run into that on a regular basis. Every single instance where my PhD supervisor asks for my next chapter. Suddenly, whatever time I might have to devote to it is annihilated. Another way to say “anti-time” is children.
     
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  9. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Why is insulting Abrams still a thing? :weep:
     
  10. Tallguy

    Tallguy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Because it's both easy and true.
     
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  11. Farscape One

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    Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, and Damon Lindelof (the writers) also get some of the blame for 09 and ID for being so bad. But films are more a director's vision than the writers/producers (which tv is more their vision and control), so Abrams will invariably get the full blame.
     
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  12. CarnelianClout

    CarnelianClout Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    If it's just a random star exploding that would be fine, but a supernova destroying an entire galaxy is just blatantly unrealistic in my opinion.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    So we can just insult a man no matter what?

    Tragic.
    Blame is one thing; insulting is another.
     
  14. Vger23

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    If "sounding very nonsensical" is the criteria by which we are going to determine "what is Star Trek" and "what is not Star Trek," you will have very, VERY little left of the franchise.

    I mean, just looking at the movies:

    TMP- Voyager 6 disappears into "black hole" and re-emerges somewhere else? The Enterprise is the only starship in the entire fleet capable of intercepting a threat that is ~3 days away from Earth?
    TWOK- A magical space torpedo that terraforms planets, or in this case, somehow creates an entire planet out of nebula dust, even though that is not at all what it was designed to do (and it just happens to magically be in the goldilocks zone of a star). Somehow, the Reliant, a dedicated science ship, does not recognize that Ceti Alpha VI has recently "exploded" and, even worse, somehow mistakes planet V for planet VI?
    TSFS- A corpse is not only brought back to life, but it is "reborn" and somehow survives/grows rapidly in a matter of hours without significant food or water, and ages rapidly like the planet around it (somehow linked???)...and then we are able to put the soul/personality back into that re-animated corpse because "Vulcan powers." I love Star Trek III, but c'mon man.
    TVH- If you go really fast around the sun, you can travel back and forth through time at will, and a giant turd in space sending out amplified whalesong somehow drains power and creates environmental turmoil for entire planets?
    TFF- The Enterprise, a starship now featuring 72 decks, travels from the Neutral Zone to the Galactic Core in about 7 hours at Warp 7.
    TUC- Some nonsense about "subspace shockwaves" hitting the Excelsior, even though they are lightyears away from Klingon Territory. The Enterprise arrives 1,000 lightyears from Federation HQ in a matter of what looks like hours, without engaging warp drive.
    GEN- A magical space ribbon that allows people infinite access to infinite timelines and possibilites exists. You can't fly a ship into it without getting wrecked (even though earlier in the film clearly shows that the El-Aurians were IN THE NEXUS before they were beamed off the Lakul, hence Soran's obsession), but apparently standing in front of it on a planet surface is perfectly safe and it just scoops you up harmlessly.
    FC- The Borg suddenly have the ability to create a temporal vortex, that they use after sending only one ship to assimilate Earth. Later, the Enterprise just "recreates the vortex" and heads home like no big deal. Nope.
    INS- There's a magical radiation that has healing and regenerative powers, but it can only be harnessed by collecting it in a way that makes the planet uninhabitable...and we're meticulously recreating the indigenous village on a holodeck so that we can relocate the population on a planet where they will clearly realize they've been relocated? Makes absolutely no sense.
    NEM- The Enterprise picks up posotronic signals from lightyears away. There's a magical radiation that "destroys organic matter at the subatomic level," and a bad guy who can't figure out if he hates Romulans, hates Picard, hates Earth, hates the Federation, wants Picard for his blood, wants to kill Picard without getting his blood, etc etc etc.

    And those are just the movies. If you looked carefully enough, you'd find absolutely ridiculous things throughout the franchise are pretty common. The idea is to enjoy or not enjoy the show and the characters...but if you over-scrutinize this stuff...you better be prepared to abandon the franchise all together, because it almost never holds up to close scrutiny.
     
  15. drt

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    I always thought the “destroy the galaxy” bit was simply hyperbole.
     
  16. cooleddie74

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    "Threatened the galaxy" was probably just Old Man Spock exaggeration to make his point. The destruction of Romulus did go on to have seismic effects in the known galaxy since one of the three largest powers in the Alpha Quadrant no longer existed and became a rump shell of its old self as survivors fled to new planets to attempt to keep Romulan culture intact.
     
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  17. Farscape One

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    Regarding the Genesis planet, didn't the Regula I moon end up becoming that planet?
     
  18. Ovation

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    I’m forever grateful to them for making my favourite, by far, of all the Trek movies and near the very top of all the Trek I’ve watched since 1973. So…”blame” now means “credit”?
     
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  19. Farscape One

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    Different strokes for different folks. 09 and INTO DARKNESS are at the very bottom of the movies for me. Even NEMESIS was better than those two.
     
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  20. cooleddie74

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    I adore 2009 and BEY. STID is now my absolute least favorite Trek film with the possible exception of NEM. It all depends on the day and my mood.