What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. Geoff Peterson

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    Isn't "right" what ever they decide it is? :lol:
     
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  2. Oddish

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    It's subjective, of course. Someone actually thought they were "right" to make "These Are the Voyages", "Code of Honor", and "Threshold".
     
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  3. Geoff Peterson

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    They get to make the episodes they want. If they turn out bad, so be it.
     
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  4. GhoulEddie74

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    Or as we call it: way too many between 1966 and 2022.
     
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  5. 1001001

    1001001 Do You Really Wanna Taste It? Moderator

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    Here is my controversial opinion for the month:

    Voyager was better than Deep Space Nine.

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  6. Farscape One

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    Congratulations... I believe you have just posted the most controversial opinion in this entire thread.
     
  7. Dee1891

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    Not really. I mean, I don't think "Voyager" was better than "Deep Space Nine". But I don't think "Deep Space Nine" was better than "Voyager", even if it had the potential to be so.
     
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  8. Oddish

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    Most of "was better" or "was worse" is subjective anyway. I can say that I didn't think "Shades of Gray" was so bad; others might disagree.
     
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  9. Richard S. Aaaargh!

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    I’d just like to stick my head over the parapet and declare 100% agreement with this. I would take VOY over DS9 in a heartbeat.
     
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  10. 1001001

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    Even more than “Tuvix was murdered for money by the military”?

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  11. Geoff Peterson

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    Needs religion and canon to really be controversial.
     
  12. Farscape One

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    I don't recall that post.

    But truthfully, yes.
     
  13. Oddish

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    It's certainly better for watching individual episodes, because of its non-serialized nature. About the only significant changes to the characters are the Doctor's mobile emitter and Seven replacing Kes. So, you can skip between seasons pretty easy.
     
  14. F. King Daniel

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    DS9 is a weeks long stay, Voyager's a drop-by and say hi. I do prefer the latter.
     
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  15. Richard S. Aaaargh!

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    I prefer the characters and the environment. I like it because it's breezy and you can dip in and out of it. DS9 is a great show but I never rewatch any episodes because it feels to me that the best way to watch it is from Season 1-7. It's an undertaking. Voyager I dip in and out of sporadically, but I haven't revisited an episode of DS9 since my one and only watch about 15 years ago.

    Tell a lie. I've watched the one where Sisko is an author in the 1950s a few times. But apart from that, zilch.

    Voyager is a friend I can call on. DS9 is like a distant, unknowable relative to me.

    That's not to say DS9 is not a good show. I greatly enjoyed it all those years ago. It's well regarded for a reason. It's just not a 'dip your toe in' sort of show.
     
  16. Oddish

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    In terms of actual character development, though, DS9 triumphs over all. Just compare character arcs for Sisko and Janeway...

    Sisko goes from bereaved widower to single father to boyfriend to lover to husband and father (again). He also goes from non-believer to skeptic to believer. From station administrator to wartime commander. The S7 Sisko is very different from the S1 Sisko.

    Janeway... well, she changes her hair. But actually, Sisko did that, too.

    Also, compare the Lower Deck specials...

    Nog began as an illiterate juvenile delinquent who was wiping tables at Quark's. He ended up as a seasoned Starfleet lieutenant and war veteran.

    Harry Kim... switched from the clarinet to the saxophone.
     
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  17. Paul755

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    You can add illiterate to Nogs category as well. That is actually pretty big all things considered.

    Kira’s arc is pretty compelling as well.
     
  18. Oddish

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    Especially compared to Chakotay's.
     
  19. at Quark's

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    That Ferengi wouldn't know /learn how to read always seemed strange to me. After all, the Ferengi would realize that bookkeeping is a useful skill and that more generally, knowledge is power, power that can be (ab)used to their own advantage.

    We also see later on in several episodes that Quark is anything but illiterate, when he uses his skills hacking into computer systems and retrieving information, bookkeeping, and reading texts both Ferengi (rules of Acquisition) and supposedly Federation (when he looks into texts Odo is reading).

    Or the Ferengi objection would need to have been not that Nog learned to read, but that he learned to read in the Federation way on that school (e.g. English).
     
  20. Dee1891

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    Is it? Kira's arc or her past as a Resistance fighter seemed to replay over and over again, with constant embellishments. By the time the series reached Seasons Five to Seven, I found the constant focus of her past a bit redundant.
     
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