What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I think that the public and media wouldn't give AI half the attention they do, if it didn't have the pompous (and misleading) name of "Artificial Intelligence". They hear that and think of "The Future" and Spielberg's film. But this thing is closer in intelligence to a kitchen mixer than to Spielberg's robots.
Though I've heard of a very different type of AI (analytical AI, as opposed to generative) that is being useful in the medical field. So as most technological advances nowadays, it seems there's a "1% good/ 99% useless crap" ratio.
Before working on Nomad, Jackson Roykirk worked on designing the Knight Industries Two Thousand AI computer back in the 80 just prior to the Eugenics Wars.
At least that's my head canon
At least Roykirk and Nomad are still early 21st century canon in Season 2 of PIC. That season of Trek is awful, but the canon nods to 21st century Earth and Gary Seven were hard to hate on.
Sorry, I’m just catching up with this thread….but is that part of the Jeffries tube “ceiling” hanging down on the upper right?Because the Trek PTB--up to a certain point--produced post-TOS srries as part of the same universe. That did not hold with series such as ENT and DISCO, but the perception of one continuity persists.
Separating Uhura from the SNW version does not in any way "diminish" her, either from her journey / part of the franchise's most influential crew, in universe and in pop culture. Uhura never needed SNW to be an important character, unless one simply was not paying attention to her over the course of 2-plus decades of her on TV and in the movies.
This was just a part of the impact both character and actress had during one of the most tumultuous dangerous periods of American history when it mattered most:
There's no character development in SNW that will ever reach the public as Nichols' presence and performance did on TOS for millions who never viewed black American women as anything other than domestics or worse.
Probably. A chunk of paint that had loosened from the ceiling.
During TNG's "Measure of a Man", after Data was given the right to individual personhood, if Data allowed himself to be Replicated or Cloned w/o (being diassembled in any way or shut-off), imagine what he could do as a small army of Data's working for StarFleet.
Let the Transporter scan him in the utmost detail down to a sub-atomic level, than mass produce / clone him via Industrial Replicator on a 1:1 accuracy level.
Since Data in his original Soong-Type Android body didn't have living Organic Tissue, that shouldn't be a problem.
The Energy & Material cost will probably be pretty high given how complex Data was, but I think it would've been a worth while option.
The Industrial Replicators that the UFP has should be able to replicate most of him, if not all of him.
Any part that couldn't be replicated, could probably be easily manufactured.
Imagine having BackUp Data's spread all over the UFP and the good he can do.
And then he would just Sync the data between the original & New Duplicates to keep them running & up to date.
Imagine what they could do with a army of Data's spread throughout StarFleet & the UFP for anybody who wanted to have a "Data Clone" serve aboard their ship or StarBase.
Imagine what a "Network Linked" Data could do when each Data variant gets to be located somewhere and share information.
Brent Spiner would have ALOT of Guest Appearances =D
Let the Transporter scan him in the utmost detail down to a sub-atomic level, than mass produce / clone him via Industrial Replicator on a 1:1 accuracy level.
Since Data in his original Soong-Type Android body didn't have living Organic Tissue, that shouldn't be a problem.
The Energy & Material cost will probably be pretty high given how complex Data was, but I think it would've been a worth while option.
The Industrial Replicators that the UFP has should be able to replicate most of him, if not all of him.
Any part that couldn't be replicated, could probably be easily manufactured.
Imagine having BackUp Data's spread all over the UFP and the good he can do.
And then he would just Sync the data between the original & New Duplicates to keep them running & up to date.
Imagine what they could do with a army of Data's spread throughout StarFleet & the UFP for anybody who wanted to have a "Data Clone" serve aboard their ship or StarBase.
Imagine what a "Network Linked" Data could do when each Data variant gets to be located somewhere and share information.
Brent Spiner would have ALOT of Guest Appearances =D
Are the computer systems of Federation starships sentient?
This is an argument that comes up at Data's trial in "The Measure of a Man," where the refusal of the order to make Data available to Maddux for testing is likened to the Enterprise's computer refusing to undergo an update and a refit of the ship.
However... on at least one occasion, the computer is able to create a sentient program in the Holodeck (Moriarty) and if you consider (the EMH of) The Doctor sentient, the computer is able to house and operate his program as an extension of itself.
So that makes me wonder whether a Federation starship's computer is capable of sentience but programmed in ways to inhibit those abilities in itself?
This is an argument that comes up at Data's trial in "The Measure of a Man," where the refusal of the order to make Data available to Maddux for testing is likened to the Enterprise's computer refusing to undergo an update and a refit of the ship.
However... on at least one occasion, the computer is able to create a sentient program in the Holodeck (Moriarty) and if you consider (the EMH of) The Doctor sentient, the computer is able to house and operate his program as an extension of itself.
So that makes me wonder whether a Federation starship's computer is capable of sentience but programmed in ways to inhibit those abilities in itself?
In "Emergence(TNG)" the Enterprise-D computer itself actually gains a primitive form of sentience and gives birth to a new life form that departs the ship to explore the wider universe. So I'd say in some limited cases, yes.
If it gained sentience, then it couldn't have been sentient to begin with.
Zora: Wait? You can do that?
And somehow make it more interesting than half or more of Zora's appearances outside of "Calypso(SHO)."
Data wasn't going to kill Kivas Fajo out of revenge but instead he made the logical conclusion that if he didn't kill him he would kill that other crew person who he threatened to Data he would do if he didn't comply. Since the Varon T Disruptor didn't have a stun setting and he didn't think anyone was coming to rescue him he made what seemed the most logical choice and that is to kill him.
Reminds me of Ann Leckie's series of novels Ancillary Justice.
For me, it reminds me of the "Sisters" from "A Certain Magical Index" & "A Certain Scientific Railgun".
They were all cloned in "Academy City" for use in the "Level 6 Project Shift" and were horribly massacred/murdered in a covert underground R&D project to create the first Level 6 Esper out of the strongest (Ranked #1) Level 5 Esper.
The Evil Upper Management Researchers & Scientists within Academy City didn't care that they were mass cloning people just to be slaughtered to artificially manufacture a "Higher Tier" of Esper, one that is closer to God Like powers.
The Sisters all have a way of communicating with each other like telepathy, but were significantly weaker Level 3 Espers compared to the original / unique Level 5 Esper that they were cloned off of "Misaka Mikoto".
Misaka Mikoto is only ranked (#3 Strongest Level 5 Esper).
Strong enough that she gets her own show as well as being a co-protagonist in "A Certain Magical Index".
Sadly there were only 7 Level 5 Espers in all of Academy City with it's 2.3 million students that were all in the Power Curriculum Program to become stronger Espers.
Finding & Raising High Level Espers is no easy feat, considering out of 2.3 million students, only 7 students made it to Level 5.
Obviously there are more Espers in the Lower Levels, but the vast Majority of students are in Level 0 or Level 1 in terms of their Esper Power Rankings.
They were all cloned in "Academy City" for use in the "Level 6 Project Shift" and were horribly massacred/murdered in a covert underground R&D project to create the first Level 6 Esper out of the strongest (Ranked #1) Level 5 Esper.
The Evil Upper Management Researchers & Scientists within Academy City didn't care that they were mass cloning people just to be slaughtered to artificially manufacture a "Higher Tier" of Esper, one that is closer to God Like powers.
The Sisters all have a way of communicating with each other like telepathy, but were significantly weaker Level 3 Espers compared to the original / unique Level 5 Esper that they were cloned off of "Misaka Mikoto".
Misaka Mikoto is only ranked (#3 Strongest Level 5 Esper).
Strong enough that she gets her own show as well as being a co-protagonist in "A Certain Magical Index".
Sadly there were only 7 Level 5 Espers in all of Academy City with it's 2.3 million students that were all in the Power Curriculum Program to become stronger Espers.
Finding & Raising High Level Espers is no easy feat, considering out of 2.3 million students, only 7 students made it to Level 5.
Obviously there are more Espers in the Lower Levels, but the vast Majority of students are in Level 0 or Level 1 in terms of their Esper Power Rankings.
It is my understanding that the Enterprise-D's computer cores from the beginning were far sentient than Data was supposed to be.
However, I have a little problem with the words 'Sentient ' and Sapient '...
A dog or cat is sentient
A human is both sentient AND sapient.
The difference is we have sent astronauts to the Moon, dogs and cats are very unlikely too.
What this means is that Data has to both as well, to qualify for Star Fleet Academy.
From another direction; in the novel 'The Andromeda Strain', there is mention that humans are capable of handling level seven data. It took me years to track down the meaning of this.
There is an old theory that brain mass to body mass is telling. Dogs are capable of handling level one data. Because the mass ratio(logarithmic?) Is one. However, humans it seems have a mass ratio of seven. This means that our brains are seven times the size a mammal would be expected to be.
There is, however if I remember correctly, some problems with this.
Duotronics may have given a bird(Dinosaur)brain to ships...
While Multitronics gave a full up time shareing near human mind capability.
Isolinear, can simulate, all of the above, but not it seems some things that are attributing to a greater capability.
In other words the biogel neural packs replace Borg Drones. Meaning that Biogel Neural Packs bring that extra edge to the Federation ships.
That fans are taking a throwaway gag from one cancelled, finished show as some kind of serious de-canonization of another cancelled, finished show is everything that is wrong with Star Trek fandom.
Stop wanking over your technical manuals and starship design evolution blueprints for one second. Stop being threatened by a black lady having more authority than you'd ever have in the fictitious Trek world for just a minute. See how embarrassing you're being, and stop. Yes Discovery was a bit shit sometimes, but it's as canon as The Original Series and Deep Space Nine.
You're figuratively turning to address a separate group when you begin the 'threatened by a black lady' part of the rant, right?
Personally I feel like I'm still waiting for something, some missing piece of the puzzle that'll make it all connect up. That's why the throwaway gag was a big deal for me, it's the clue I've been waiting for. Well, a clue. It doesn't explain anything, but it does clarify one thing: the Disco Klingons exist as their own thing, looking just as they did. I'm craving more though! I'm totally the guy who saw Trials and Tribble-ations and thought 'it's cool how they were ambiguous with the reason why the TOS Klingons changed... but now I really want to know why Klingons changed.'
Personally I feel like I'm still waiting for something, some missing piece of the puzzle that'll make it all connect up. That's why the throwaway gag was a big deal for me, it's the clue I've been waiting for. Well, a clue. It doesn't explain anything, but it does clarify one thing: the Disco Klingons exist as their own thing, looking just as they did. I'm craving more though! I'm totally the guy who saw Trials and Tribble-ations and thought 'it's cool how they were ambiguous with the reason why the TOS Klingons changed... but now I really want to know why Klingons changed.'
I imagine a "Network Linked" group of Datas could be hacked, and turned into walking terrorists aboard every ship where a Data clone is serving.
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