What about Sybok? (Spock's half-brother)

[Tomalak]

To be precise, they did not speak to each other "as father and son" for eighteen years, which gives us a little wiggle room, if they want to take it.

And, yeah, if we're going to continue to delve in Spock and Michael's complicated family history, I'm not sure how you can ignore the black-sheep older brother entirely.

I'd love to see more of home life with the Sareks. As much as humans and other aliens respected him, Sarek must have been treated by fellow Vulcans as eccentric to say the least, with his human wife, half human son, adopted human daughter, and his firstborn full-Vulcan so who turned out to rebel against everything their culture stood for.

There's got to be something more in that. Maybe it's the reason he's the roving Ambassador who barely seemed to spend any time on Vulcan.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

To be precise, they did not speak to each other "as father and son" for eighteen years, which gives us a little wiggle room, if they want to take it.

And, yeah, if we're going to continue to delve in Spock and Michael's complicated family history, I'm not sure how you can ignore the black-sheep older brother entirely.

Right. It doesn't have to mean they literally never spoke to each other, just that they considered their father-son relationship to be effectively over for that period of time, and mostly spoke formally on the rare occasions they spoke at all.

 

[Disco!Disco!]

If Alex Kurtzman has IP issues using the Romulan supernova, which he himself wrote, then imagine what hoops he'd have to jump through to use Sybok.

https://trekcore.com/blog/2019/01/kurtzman-kadin-picard-georgiou-shows-star-trek-discovery-season-3/

TREKCORE: With the upcoming Picard series now set after the destruction of Romulus, how much access with that show’s writers room have to other material from the Star Trek films?

ALEX KURTZMAN: Well since I wrote the 2009 film, I’m pretty familiar with it – but in terms of like, legality?

TREKCORE: Yeah, are you allowed to explore the film stuff, rights-wise?

KURTZMAN: I think we’ll see over the next couple of months. It’s a conversation. Obviously, it would be great; it’s all canon, right? So it’d be great to figure out a way to be consistent.

Remember when Bo Yeon Kim said the writers couldn't use any of the movie stuff? Maybe after Viacom and CBS merge they can use Sybok. Even then the ST:V writers will need to be paid.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Sounds like the makings for a comedy flick. What About Bob Sybok?

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

Don't take away my Sybok. I NEED my Sybok.

 

[XCV330]

Can Sarek have yet an even older son that trains hard to get in the Vulcan Military Academy, tells his younger siblings to "Shut their plomeek holes" a lot, and frequents a lot of Logic Extremist discussion forums, and totally wrecked the family shuttle when he drove to Delta Vega even though he was supposed to stay home for his pon farr?

 

[Lord Garth]

Can Sarek have yet an even older son that trains hard to get in the Vulcan Military Academy, tells his younger siblings to "Shut their plomeek holes" a lot, and frequents a lot of Logic Extremist discussion forums, and totally wrecked the family shuttle when he drove to Delta Vega even though he was supposed to stay home for his pon farr?

He's 103 in "Journey to Babel", so plenty of time for him to have had more kids.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'd love to see more of home life with the Sareks. As much as humans and other aliens respected him, Sarek must have been treated by fellow Vulcans as eccentric to say the least, with his human wife, half human son, adopted human daughter, and his firstborn full-Vulcan so who turned out to rebel against everything their culture stood for.

There's got to be something more in that. Maybe it's the reason he's the roving Ambassador who barely seemed to spend any time on Vulcan.

Never mind fellow Vulcans, just think what Sarek's parents must have thought!

There's no way Spock's Grandpa & Grandma condoned Sareks marriage to Amanda.
I'm positive that this whole Sarek/Spock squabble isn't the first time this has happened in the family.

The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

It's not impossible, but Star Trek V is the red headed stepchild of the TOS Star Trek film series. I just don't see them embracing that character because of the poor reception of the film overall - Gene Roddenbery all but disowned it.

Didn’t Roddenberry disown all the films aside from the first and fourth flicks?

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Spock told Picard that he and his father never chose to meld, and perhaps this could explain why. If Sarek was a radical in denial, maybe Sybok's rebellion was a manifestation of Sarek's own repressed ideals that were expressed in an unbridled way by Sybok after they had melded.

Spock had said the choice not to meld was because of personality differences and opposing political views, but there seemed to be more to it than that, and this might be one way to explore that choice.

 

[guyute03]

I loved Sybok.
I loved Star Trek 5.
If it fits I'd welcome it.

 

[donners22]

Didn’t Roddenberry disown all the films aside from the first and fourth flicks?

Yeah, from memory he wrote a script for the fourth film which completely ignored 2 & 3, and he had a confrontation with Meyer over 6. Plus he disowned TAS and parts of TOS...

 

[Timo]

I sort of dread ever getting a look at how Vulcans other than Sarek raise their children. I mean, the adults can fake being composed and sensible individuals through years of rigorous mental training, which is why they don't kill each other a lot any longer. The kids shouldn't be able to do any of that yet.

Merely exiling those kids who refuse to grow up sounds awfully humane of the Vulcans...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I want sybok to appear but in a jerry springer style 'I'm here to confront my baby daddy' way. The vulcan princess wants to confront sarek about the unpaid child support and has brought sybok along to confront sarek about what a terrible father he's been. Sarek comes out, fight ensues between sarek, sybok and vulcan princess, steve settles them down. Then Jerry brings out Amanda who proceeds to brawl with the vulcan princess and rip out her weave.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

It's hard to say what things will stand the test of time. Some of our world today is based on things that are thousands of years old, so maybe Jerry (and Steve) will be there to do just that.

 

[Nyotarules]

The thing about Sybok is he explained Sarek's shitty patenting. He wanted Spock to be extra Vulcan because he was afraid he'd be exiled as Sybok was.

True, he was such a success with Sybok he probably tried harsher methods hoping it would work with Spock. I am surprised Amanda never left him, under the right (for her) circumstances as in TAS Yesteryear she would.

There's got to be something more in that. Maybe it's the reason he's the roving Ambassador who barely seemed to spend any time on Vulcan.

They sent him away as punishment, rather than put him in jail. "We do not want you contaminating the line of Surak with anymore radical ideas of interspecies relations. We do not care that Earth people are easy, no matter what eccentric, old Ambassador T'Pol told you!"

I sort of dread ever getting a look at how Vulcans other than Sarek raise their children. I mean, the adults can fake being composed and sensible individuals through years of rigorous mental training, which is why they don't kill each other a lot any longer. The kids shouldn't be able to do any of that yet.

Merely exiling those kids who refuse to grow up sounds awfully humane of the Vulcans...

Timo Saloniemi

There are billions of Vulcans, just like all humans who share the same religion or politics are not the same, I see no reason for all Vulcans to be clones of each other i.e everyone won't like plomeek soup or raise their kids the same way. Tuvok's parents wanted him to join Starfleet, roam the stars and meet other races, Tuvok rebelled against that. He would be the son that Sarek wanted if he was born in the same period.

 

[plynch]

I don't remember that about Tuvok, though I really liked him as a character. Good guy.

With Sarek as ambassador, he must be good at that, right? Maybe he's just not diplomatic in raising his own kids, y'know? But childraising must be really frustrating to adults on Vulcan with all the little emotional beings constantly doing emotional stuff.

 

[Nyotarules]

I don't remember that about Tuvok, though I really liked him as a character. Good guy.

With Sarek as ambassador, he must be good at that, right? Maybe he's just not diplomatic in raising his own kids, y'know? But childraising must be really frustrating to adults on Vulcan with all the little emotional beings constantly doing emotional stuff.

I think it was the episode where his mind was infected by a virus and he mentally went back in time to when he served on Sulu's ship. He only joined cos of parental pressure, he did not like it and eventually left to pursue kohlinar (sp), until he got the Vulcan sex bug,

 

[XCV330]

I think it was the episode where his mind was infected by a virus and he mentally went back in time to when he served on Sulu's ship. He only joined cos of parental pressure, he did not like it and eventually left to pursue kohlinar (sp), until he got the Vulcan sex bug,

I think one of his parents (I don't remember) is in Starfleet around the time of Discovery and TOS. I doubt they'd mention it, really just another easter egg if they did but it would be fun.

 

[XCV330]

I think it was the episode where his mind was infected by a virus and he mentally went back in time to when he served on Sulu's ship. He only joined cos of parental pressure, he did not like it and eventually left to pursue kohlinar (sp), until he got the Vulcan sex bug,

I think one of his parents (I don't remember) is in Starfleet around the time of Discovery and TOS. I doubt they'd mention it, really just another easter egg if they did but it would be fun.