Were there other Enterprises between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701?

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

I think in this circumstance it's not about age or ability but purely ceremonial, and I think for this ship it makes sense. These aren't perfect comparisons but the Enterprise CV-6 was decommissioned after 9 years and the space shuttle Enterprise never flew in space and ended up in the Smithsonian by the mid-80s. I usually like it if regular ships do last a long time though normally.

Just to be clear, the Enterprise is on display on the Intrepid aircraft carrier in New York harbor. My wife and I happened to be on a ferry to Ellis Island when the E was on a barge headed for that final site. It was amazing to see and I have photos somewhere.

 

[valkyrie013]

Well they could always give it another ncc # .. there were plenty of defiants and titans before the ship was graced with an A designation.

So technically a USS Enterprise NCC-934 could exist in say 2196..
It could just not really distinguish itself as much as the 1701 or they just didn't do it till Kirk. In 2285 then by 2403 they were giving it out like candy.

 

[HotRod]

Well they could always give it another ncc # .. there were plenty of defiants and titans before the ship was graced with an A designation.

So technically a USS Enterprise NCC-934 could exist in say 2196..
It could just not really distinguish itself as much as the 1701 or they just didn't do it till Kirk. In 2285 then by 2403 they were giving it out like candy.

Nope. Again, SNW has established that there were no Starfleet ships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the 1701.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Nope. Again, SNW has established that there were no Starfleet ships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the 1701.

Which episode was that?

 

[HotRod]

Which episode was that?

Those Old Scientists

It was stated that the tradition is to start construction of a new starship using a peice of the last ship to bear its name, which was the NX-01.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Those Old Scientists

It was stated that the tradition is to start construction of a new starship using a peice of the last ship to bear its name, which was the NX-01.

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[somebuddyX]

Yeah but TOS said such and such about what time period Khan came from and that's changed in SNW.

 

[HotRod]

Yeah but TOS said such and such about what time period Khan came from and that's changed in SNW.

They also said the the Eugenics War and World War III were one and the same, supposedly in the late 90's. Yet everything since Wrath of Khan has shown the Eugenics War/World War III as being a mid 21st century event.

Strange New Worlds is hardly responsible for the change and is just going with what has been pretty firmly established.

 

[somebuddyX]

They also said the the Eugenics War and World War III were one and the same, supposedly in the late 90's. Yet everything since Wrath of Khan has shown the Eugenics War/World War III as being a mid 21st century event.

Strange New Worlds is hardly responsible for the change and is just going with what has been pretty firmly established.

Yeah sure but he said he was from 1996 and now he's not. And that's fine. History/canon is malleable.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yeah sure but he said he was from 1996 and now he's not.

But in the very same scene, Khan says his time was "200 years ago". TWOK took place in 2285, and...you do the math.

Perhaps the timeline was changing mid-scene? There WERE entire temporal wars fought over erasing the Eugenics Wars...

 

[David cgc]

But in the very same scene, Khan says his time was "200 years ago". TWOK took place in 2285, and...you do the math.

That wasn't established until later, the timeline didn't get fully nailed down until TNG was made. FASA interpreted those lines as having TOS and the movies take place early in the 23rd century.

 

[C.E. Evans]

SNW acknowledged that there had been a 30-year shift in the unfolding events, meaning that references in previous Trek productions (like TOS and TWOK) which placed Khan and his peers rattling the world in the 1990s were valid until the timeline was altered that placed them later. Yes, it means that there are two contradictory versions of Trek history that not only co-exist, but also merge into one, IMO.

 

[mattman8907]

SNW acknowledged that there had been a 30-year shift in the unfolding events, meaning that references in previous Trek productions (like TOS and TWOK) which placed Khan and his peers rattling the world in the 1990s were valid until the timeline was altered that placed them later. Yes, it means that there are two contradictory versions of Trek history that not only co-exist, but also merge into one, IMO.

You can thank the crew of the Enterprise NX-01, NCC-1701, NCC-1701-D, NCC-1701-E, the Defiant, Voyager and the Temporal Cold War for screwing up the time (Whether they were the direct cause or Involuntary involved). Cause all these shifts in the Timeline.) Time is something that shouldn't be messed with.

 

[C.E. Evans]

You can thank the crew of the Enterprise NX-01, NCC-1701, NCC-1701-D, NCC-1701-E, the Defiant, Voyager and the Temporal Cold War for screwing up the time (Whether they were the direct cause or Involuntary involved). Cause all these shifts in the Timeline.) Time is something that shouldn't be messed with.

It's really the fault of writers and producers rewriting Trek's past--and it's definitely not going to stop, IMO. Because Trek wasn't allowed to have its own fictional history regardless of real-world events, there will continually be a shifting of its timeline so that Trek will always match whatever the current state of things are in our world. Eventually, every previously established fictional event in Trek is going to be moved when the real-world catches up to it. It's just the way Trek rolls.

 

[somebuddyX]

Maybe in the gap there was a starbase called Enterprise instead of a ship, like what happened with Yorktown in "Beyond."
"Captain's Log, with the retirement of Enterprise we've taken the Yorktown to Enterprise." And possibly Yorktown was replaced by Enterprise then when it was too old and busted Yorktown replaced Enterprise and Enterprise visited Yorktown and then Enterprise was built at Yorktown.

 

[evilchumlee]

They also said the the Eugenics War and World War III were one and the same, supposedly in the late 90's. Yet everything since Wrath of Khan has shown the Eugenics War/World War III as being a mid 21st century event.

Strange New Worlds is hardly responsible for the change and is just going with what has been pretty firmly established.

In all fairness, SNW somewhat combined everything. Pike mentions three conflicts, which he implied were building blocks to a whole.. to paraphrase, "First there was the Second American Civil War, which lead to the Eugenics Wars and eventually, just World War Three." There's basically three distinct conflicts that in the end, are all lumped under "WW3".

As mentioned, SNW has "graced" with the fact that timelines are officially messed up, so "canon" doesn't really matter anymore and nothing makes sense anymore. BUT... to answer the OP, in the timeline that SNW takes place in, no. There was no Enterprise from NX-01 to 1701, this is explicitly mentioned.

So we have about an 80 year stretch with no Enterprise. It's not THAT unbelievable though. NX-01 was a big deal for Earth, but in the grand scheme of the Federation, the ship wasn't overall that big of a deal. Archer was important to the Federation, but Enterprise is more Earth history. It's NCC-1701 that became the legendary Federation ship.

To go on a conjecture tangent... NX-01 may not have been retired in 2161, but also may not have been a Federation ship. We've known for decades, but LDS and DSC solidified it, member worlds operate their own fleets as well in addition to Starfleet. PIC S2 and 3 suggest that NX-01 eventually got the NX-Refit (the model shows up, it's "supposed" to be Enterprise although it's never actually confirmed on screen.). It's possible that post-Federation, Earth still maintained an independent fleet apart from Starfleet... with NX-01 being assigned to Earth Defense Force and getting it's refit.

It reconciles two seemingly contradictory things while also offering an explanation why it took so long for another Enterprise to show up. It still fits with the E-D computer not acknowledging NX-01 as a Federation starship when Scotty asked. It fits with PIC S2-3 of NX-01 getting the NX-Refit. And... if NX-01 continued to serve in the Earth Defense Force for another decade or two, the timespan between Enterprises is a bit lower. Say it served until... 2190? Just throwing a number out there. 1701 launched 2245... factor in a few years for development and construction, and i'm assuming Enterprise was a first-run Constitution... say the ship was planned closer to 2235... 40ish years with no Enterprise.

 

[Dukhat]

It's really the fault of writers and producers rewriting Trek's past--and it's definitely not going to stop, IMO. Because Trek wasn't allowed to have its own fictional history regardless of real-world events, there will continually be a shifting of its timeline so that Trek will always match whatever the current state of things are in our world. Eventually, every previously established fictional event in Trek is going to be moved when the real-world catches up to it. It's just the way Trek rolls.

This. Who cares that Elon Musk was a spaceflight visionary (according to Lorca) when there were already spacecraft like the Botany Bay in operation in the 1990’s of the TOS timeline? The more that the writers try to equate CBSTrek with real life, the more that what was established in TOS goes out the window. Which is why CBSTrek should have been a reboot from the start, not a direct prequel to TOS. But that point is moot now anyway, because once you diverge from the source material (especially in such a drastic way as to officially state that the timeline has changed) then your new stuff is no longer in continuity with it and is now by definition a reboot.

 

[mattman8907]

You know something i didn't think about until recently so we know the registry of the Enterprise is NCC-1701, I always wondered if they kept the -01 as a means to honor the Enterprise NX-01. I mean its not all that important but this is what happens when your at work and your mind wonders.

 

[Dukhat]

You know something i didn't think about until recently so we know the registry of the Enterprise is NCC-1701, I always wondered if they kept the -01 as a means to honor the Enterprise NX-01. I mean its not all that important but this is what happens when your at work and your mind wonders.

I doubt that was the intention, because it certainly wasn’t the intention IRL.

 

[somebuddyX]

You know something i didn't think about until recently so we know the registry of the Enterprise is NCC-1701, I always wondered if they kept the -01 as a means to honor the Enterprise NX-01. I mean its not all that important but this is what happens when your at work and your mind wonders.

Yeah in-universe that could be the case. I also have those thoughts but dumber, because I keep imagining a Daedalus-class Enterprise as NCC-171 and the Countdown to Darkness Enterprise as NCC-0701.