I ask because we can clearly see hull tiles being knocked off when coming out of warp into the debris field.
Were the Enterprise's shields up when arriving at Vulcan?
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Yeah, and the Scimitar's shields were still at 70% when the E-E rammed her. We never saw the shields then, either.
They were STVI/DS9 style invisible shields. JJ thought (quite rightly) that it's much more visceral to actually see damage done than watching a blue bubble glow upon impact.
DS9 did show shields on numerous occasions. Here is the Defiant fighting the Lakota http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/_...g/789px-USS_Lakota_fires_on_the_Defiant-3.jpg
The JJprise appears to have no shielding or worthless shielding as the amount of kinetic energy is pretty small next to all the energy weapons we have seen in the past.
The only workable explaination is that a large chunk of junk penetrated the shields and the recovery rate is so slow that the shields could not contain the escape of the tile outward.
We have seen medical forcefields with more power than that.
The shields were absent more often than not in DS9. Try and spot a single one during the huge fleet battles - that's a LOT of seemingly unshielded starships.
If you're desperate for a Treknobabble explanation, these invisible/nonexistant shields probably work more akin to Enterprise's polarized hull plating, strengthening the hull material instead of forming a bubble of energy.
If you're desperate for a Treknobabble explanation, these invisible/nonexistant shields probably work more akin to Enterprise's polarized hull plating, strengthening the hull material instead of forming a bubble of energy.
Of course not. We are one big, happy fleet.
Yeah. We saw that in First Contact when Picard shot a Borg with a holographic machine gun.
...Or the Enterprise had a huge disadvantage. Perhaps the inventor of TOS-quality shields died aboard the Kelvin in 2233, making the 2258 shields much inferior to the ones seen in TOS?
Generally speaking, TOS shields didn't demonstrate a weakness to kinetic energy, and TNG shields caused smaller ships to bump off. DS9 shields seemed to allow for ramming attacks, though - the same shields that failed to glow in a distinct bubble effect. Might be that the adaptation that allowed them to deflect Jem'Hadar weapons exposed them to ramming; the adaptation would not have been in use in the "Paradise Lost" battle, explaining the presence of the shield bubble there.
We could even argue that the Scimitar was built specifically for the fight against the Dominion (as it probably wasn't built overnight) and thus had a built-in weakness to its shields...
Timo Saloniemi
Generally speaking, TOS shields didn't demonstrate a weakness to kinetic energy, and TNG shields caused smaller ships to bump off. DS9 shields seemed to allow for ramming attacks, though - the same shields that failed to glow in a distinct bubble effect. Might be that the adaptation that allowed them to deflect Jem'Hadar weapons exposed them to ramming; the adaptation would not have been in use in the "Paradise Lost" battle, explaining the presence of the shield bubble there.
We could even argue that the Scimitar was built specifically for the fight against the Dominion (as it probably wasn't built overnight) and thus had a built-in weakness to its shields...
Timo Saloniemi
But why would they need to, when mere inert debris from the Mayflower penetrated the shields easily enough?
Kirk's TOS/TAS ship easily withstood being grabbed by giant hands; apparently, Apollo would have left deep fingerprints on Kirk's STXI vessel...
Timo Saloniemi
Kirk's TOS/TAS ship easily withstood being grabbed by giant hands; apparently, Apollo would have left deep fingerprints on Kirk's STXI vessel...
Timo Saloniemi
And ruin the collectible!?!?! How did he plan to sell it on Ebay now?
Technically, a holographic submachine gun.
The technology in ST Eleven was different than TOS, for instance the top speed of the Enterprise was faster in the movie. But the technology in the movie wouldn't necessarily be superior across the board.
In the case of the shields, the technology could have been superior in the series. Even far superior.
Something that prime Kirk would have taken for granted in terms of his ship's shielding capacity, would have been out of the realm of possibilities for nuKirk's ship.
In the case of the shields, the technology could have been superior in the series. Even far superior.
Something that prime Kirk would have taken for granted in terms of his ship's shielding capacity, would have been out of the realm of possibilities for nuKirk's ship.
The technology wasn't any different to TOS. The visual effects were modernized, that's all.
Yevetha
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By the way shouldnt had they made new klingon ship models for the Kobayashi Maru simulation?
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