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Wearing a Starfleet Uniform in public

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Based on your above logic, wearing a ST uniform or similar to a theatre where a ST movie is playing would be valid, which I believe was what was done in the original photos on Page 1.

Yep! Opening nights and/or gala celebrity previews. Or a marathon screening of several films at once. Been there, done that, sat long and prospered. Unless I was already with a large group, it probably wouldn't be appropriate to wear the uniform to a regular session several week's into the film's run.

The point is, if you wear a Star Trek (or any TV show) costume in public and people ask you why you are wearing it - and you want a favourable response - the answer probably shouldn't be, "I'm proving that Star Trek fans have the right to wear their uniform in public."

Better answers might include, "I'm on my way to a convention/ST film premiere/children's charity party/magazine photo shoot/costume party/hand out fan club fliers."
 
plain and simple. i tend to wear a uniform because it best reflects my "core beliefs". there is no attention getters intended. the positive things that have been happening are a side effect.

when ppl start saying that this is not a normal thing and that it slanders the image of us, and that i should not wear one, makes me feel that my "core beliefs" are being challenged here. i am sure that Gene would be kinda dissapointed with a few ppl here with this conduct. i do deeply believe that Star Trek takes those values that our socity lacks and shows us how it should be. that is why i am wearing this uniform, and those are my "core beliefs". everything that Gene enviosioned is the driving point in my life. and all this has been a part of me since my very early years.

thank you to all those in support of me!! i will continue to post my experiences!!
 
^ Personally, I find all the "you're killing it for the rest of us" complaints seriously misguided. I learned a long time ago that some people - most people, even - are going to give me grief for being a Star Trek fan. The thing is, the stigma that's attached to Trek fandom isn't going anywhere, and furthermore, the people really worth your time aren't going to come down on you for your interests. More often (with my group of friends, at least) it leads to some hilarious conversations comparing our respective "weird" interests, and we have some good-natured insult-a-thons. It can be a lot of fun, as long as there's a level of respect underlying it.
 
i am sure that Gene would be kinda dissapointed with a few ppl here with this conduct...
Gene's motivations would probably not be what you think. Gene was motivated by money. He would love you purchasing his licensed costume. He would not care what reason you had for making the purchase.
everything that Gene enviosioned is the driving point in my life.
Do you believe in everything Gene envisioned? He had some very strange ideas about what the ideal future society would permit. He also had several affairs outside of marriage. Are these also values you are willing to defend? Before making such broad statements in support of everything Gene believed in, you should familiarize yourself with those beliefs.

I support your right to wear what you wish in public. I do not think it is the wisest decision, however, except for special events like those Therin of Andor mentioned.
 
i am sure that Gene would be kinda dissapointed with a few ppl here with this conduct...
Gene's motivations would probably not be what you think. Gene was motivated by money. He would love you purchasing his licensed costume. He would not care what reason you had for making the purchase.
everything that Gene enviosioned is the driving point in my life.
Do you believe in everything Gene envisioned? He had some very strange ideas about what the ideal future society would permit. He also had several affairs outside of marriage. Are these also values you are willing to defend? Before making such broad statements in support of everything Gene believed in, you should familiarize yourself with those beliefs.

I support your right to wear what you wish in public. I do not think it is the wisest decision, however, except for special events like those Therin of Andor mentioned.


ask your self, how many of Gene's "ideals" actualy came true or gave an insight on our socitey? i am not saying that Gene wasnt "HUMAN" like the rest of us, but i will always support the "ideals" he was trying to make through star trek.
 
It's wonderful that someone has the guts to wear the uniform regularly in public as an expression of their core belief system. I think it's awesome. (For the same reason, I wear a lot of Hello Kitty gear. :-) When I lived in NYC, there used to be Trek conventions at the big hotel up the avenue every once in a while, and on those weekends, when I stepped out of my door, I would regularly see groups of people in Trek uniforms (as well as Klingon, Romulan & Borg), strolling through the neighborhood. It was surreal, but refreshing.
 
plain and simple. i tend to wear a uniform because it best reflects my "core beliefs". there is no attention getters intended. the positive things that have been happening are a side effect.

when ppl start saying that this is not a normal thing and that it slanders the image of us, and that i should not wear one, makes me feel that my "core beliefs" are being challenged here. i am sure that Gene would be kinda dissapointed with a few ppl here with this conduct. i do deeply believe that Star Trek takes those values that our socity lacks and shows us how it should be. that is why i am wearing this uniform, and those are my "core beliefs". everything that Gene enviosioned is the driving point in my life. and all this has been a part of me since my very early years.

thank you to all those in support of me!! i will continue to post my experiences!!

We all support you, Sho - we just don't all agree with you. Is the only support you're interested in that of unqualified "Yaaay, Sho! Good for you!"? I think those of us who think you're making a mistake have an obligation to tell you so. Don't you?

I want to ask you something: Do you really think that wearing a Star Fleet uniform informs people about your "core beliefs"?

Because I'm telling you right now that it does not. People who know nothing about ST besides that it is a series of TV shows and movies - that is, nearly everybody - don't look at someone in a ST uniform and say, "That guy must be a proponent of Starfleet's policy of universal tolerance and the brotherhood of all species." They look at him and say "He must be on his way to a costume party." Or "He must be some kind of nut." Or "What is that thing he's wearing anyway?"

They won't think about what the uniform means to you, and the reason is that most people don't even think about Trek's ideals. Why should they? To most people, Trek is a series of TV shows and movies. That's it.

And yet it seems to me that these are the people you're trying to communicate with, right? The ones that know little or nothing about Star Trek?

What you're doing when you wear that uniform is indicate to just about everybody that you feel an affiliation with a TV show. Nothing more, nothing less. To the vast majority of people, it no more indicates your identification with Starfleet's policy of universal tolerance and the brotherhood of all species than my wearing a toga and a pointy crown would indicate my dedication to the freedom of all peoples.

The only way to indicate your core beliefs to people is to act on them, every day. There is no costume - or bumper sticker - or T-shirt - that will do this for you.
 
I want to ask you something: Do you really think that wearing a Star Fleet uniform informs people about your "core beliefs"?

Because I'm telling you right now that it does not. People who know nothing about ST besides that it is a series of TV shows and movies - that is, nearly everybody - don't look at someone in a ST uniform and say, "That guy must be a proponent of Starfleet's policy of universal tolerance and the brotherhood of all species." They look at him and say "He must be on his way to a costume party." Or "He must be some kind of nut." Or "What is that thing he's wearing anyway?"

They won't think about what the uniform means to you, and the reason is that most people don't even think about Trek's ideals. Why should they? To most people, Trek is a series of TV shows and movies. That's it.

And yet it seems to me that these are the people you're trying to communicate with, right? The ones that know little or nothing about Star Trek?

What you're doing when you wear that uniform is indicate to just about everybody that you feel an affiliation with a TV show. Nothing more, nothing less. To the vast majority of people, it no more indicates your identification with Starfleet's policy of universal tolerance and the brotherhood of all species than my wearing a toga and a pointy crown would indicate my dedication to the freedom of all peoples.

The only way to indicate your core beliefs to people is to act on them, every day. There is no costume - or bumper sticker - or T-shirt - that will do this for you.

For the record JustKate I think that's a cracking post.

Just to throw in my two cents, I don't generally consider wearing a replica uniform from a television show to be the norm - not passing judgement, just offering my opinion.

I'm also of the opinion that the "nice looking females" - I'd just call them girls or women not females in future - mentioned in the original post were being a little sarcastic. I have difficulty believing that your average girl on the street looks at a young man walking around in a replica Star Trek uniform and thinks 'that's a good look.' Again, just my personal opinion.

Nothing against Star Trek, I'd be of the same opinion if someone was walking the streets in a stormtroopers outfit, or dressed as Harry Potter. Or a Morris Dancing outfit. There's a time and a place isn't there?


 
This thread seriously needs some face-palm.

Sho, I think you need to see someone. Professionally.
 
The only way to indicate your core beliefs to people is to act on them, every day. There is no costume - or bumper sticker - or T-shirt - that will do this for you.

Wise words indeed. And applicable beyond wearing Trek costumes too.
 
it has bee a long time since i have posted something like this or posted at all on here.

first off if anyone remembers about this time a year ago, i was asked to keep ppl up to date with my encounters regarding wearing my uniform in public.

over all i have gotten many positive things from it. some of then are little things like the vulcan salute and "beam me up, scotty" but the most important things of all is all the compliments that i have received from trek fans and non-trek fans alike. several ppl in one of my summer classes last summer requested that i wear the uniform after i had mentioned that i wear one. another instance was when i was walking out a grocery store with a couple of friends when a car stopped in the parking lot and a couple of nice looking females rolled down the window and said to me, "you look very sexy in that uniform." this of course shocked me to a point but felt very positive about this.:bolian:

other times at my connunity college i have had the opperitunity of meeting several trek fans that i would not have known if i had not wore my uniform. most of these ppl were female and one in perdictular got into star trek because of me. :)

now if there are still ppl out there that dont think that wearing the uniform is a good idea, then look at the fact that one of my new friends is now into star trek and is asking me alot of different questioons on the subject.

this is were i leave you for now or untill i get a response!!

trek on!!!:vulcan:

=/\=

Not to get too personal and offensive, but...

GET A LIFE!
 
Sometimes people say things in the boldness of a forum that they wouldn't say in real life. Often, people hide behind their computers and make complete *insert appropriate plural noun* of themselves because they are too closed-minded to realize that - strange or not - things that are small potatoes to some can be serious motivation to others.

I have many hobbies and interests that, if I tossed them out for review by the masses, might leave me labeled as eccentric. I don't answer to the masses, and don't have a problem taking a stand for the things that I take interest in, even if some people don't - and possibly won't ever - really "get it."

If we were all in a room together, and some folks were giving one person grief over a personal choice to wear a certain style of clothing in public as a reflection of fandom, I would tell those people to back down on the grounds of being out of order.

As I said in an earlier post, I personally would hesitate to wear a ST outfit in public. Reitterating something else I said however, I personally wouldn't wear a sports outfit in public either. That doesn't mean that there is something wrong with the masses of folks who dress up to support their sports team, or wear the number of their favorite player to work every day. There isn't any one rule that everyone has to follow.

Wear what you want, and if your team is Star Trek, wear that. Naturally, you will run into people who don't like the team you are rooting for, or think that you are wierd for being obssessive about it. That is on them, either to make a big deal out of it, or just move on.

Cmdr Sho, you made this thread - partly because you want to share your experiences as a Star Trek fan - but secondly because you want some validation for an activity which is important to you, but which (unfortunately) you feel somewhat insecure about and people sometimes give you grief over.

It is a strange feeling when you find something that helps you focus, or gives you strength, and that something - an object, symbol, or a fantasy like Star Trek - becomes important enough for you to choose occasional scorn for as opposed to giving up. I can guarantee you, it would be much worse for you to give up you vision than for you to shrug off the opposition. Folks who have a problem with you "as is" are never worth sacrificing a portion of your unique identity for (because of their lack of imagination.)

We live in a world of peer pressure. It isn't just "smoking in the boys room" type peer pressure; it is subtle social pressures that make us feel guilt for doing things differently. It is the feeling you get when you are driving 62 MPH in a 60 MPH freeway zone and people are crowding you from behind and zipping around you at 70. Your gut says that you should speed up and break the law with the masses; but logic says that you should just ignore them. What are you going to do? In the end, you have to learn to be - rule #1 - comfortable with yourself, always.

By being different - even labeled as wierd or eccentric - you can actually take the first step toward being a good leader. The easy thing to do is to blend in and do nothing that attracts attention. The right thing to do is to stand out and let your unique perspective bring a completely new dimension to the environment in which you are.

Cheers.
 
When it comes to Star Trek uniforms though... it's not really a normal thing to do... How many people do you see dressed up as stormtroopers or jedi, cybermen, the Doctor, or Harry Potter on a normal day on the street? You don't, because people just don't do that... It is different from sports jerseys. A sports jersey isn't an entire sports uniform. You don't see people wearing those on the street either.

I personally would not wear a star trek uniform out in public unless it was for a special occasion, but that's because I can't manage to completely ignore what people say about me, and I wouldn't be able to handle people saying negative things towards me. But that's me, and I realize that I wouldn't be able to handle that so I don't put myself in that situation.

Now, if Cmdr Sho is able to take negative criticism and not be too hurt by it, then I don't see the problem with him wearing it in public. Normal, after all, is just what most people have decided it as. It means nothing to people who don't care about standing out. There's nothing wrong with not being "normal". Like I said, it's something people have decided, it's not something everyone has to be, it's only what most people think everyone should be, but not everyone cares what everyone else thinks...
 
How does a fictional sci-fi TV series represent your "core beliefs?"

I am not dissing you with that, but I just want to know.
 
I occasionally wear my watch to work and I don't think anyone has noticed.

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first off, have you ever noticed that in paticular episodes of star trek that they address an event of some importance to society? for example, the ds9 episode "far beyond the stars"... stuff like that....

next i care about your opions but dont let them affect me too much...


and i think this needs to go back to posting my experiences...
 
Sometimes people say things in the boldness of a forum that they wouldn't say in real life. Often, people hide behind their computers and make complete *insert appropriate plural noun* of themselves because they are too closed-minded to realize that - strange or not - things that are small potatoes to some can be serious motivation to others.

I know this was made generally to everyone, but speaking for myself, I say what's on my mind here exactly as I do in real life.

I don't see any logic in acting any differently online as I would in real life. However in real life I don't go around trying to know things about people's personal lives..... but when online if someone tosses out their personal information like what's been done here in this thread, they leave themselves open to other people's opinions on their personal life, merely because they posted it.

If you don't like negative comments about what you do in your personal life, don't make your personal life public.

I have many hobbies and interests that, if I tossed them out for review by the masses, might leave me labeled as eccentric. I don't answer to the masses, and don't have a problem taking a stand for the things that I take interest in, even if some people don't - and possibly won't ever - really "get it."

If we were all in a room together, and some folks were giving one person grief over a personal choice to wear a certain style of clothing in public as a reflection of fandom, I would tell those people to back down on the grounds of being out of order.

Why are they out of order?

They're asking questions and speaking their mind to something that person publically made the topic of discussion and thus should be freely open to voice their opinions on that discussion, even if you don't like it.

If you feel they're out of order, then maybe that person shouldn't have made it into a topic of discussion in the first place. You can't blame people for their honest responses you basically asked for.

As I said in an earlier post, I personally would hesitate to wear a ST outfit in public. Reitterating something else I said however, I personally wouldn't wear a sports outfit in public either. That doesn't mean that there is something wrong with the masses of folks who dress up to support their sports team, or wear the number of their favorite player to work every day. There isn't any one rule that everyone has to follow.

I agree, and as I said before, people can do and wear whatever they want so long as it doesn't affect other people's lives in any negative manner.... but that doesn't mean I'm going to pamper my opinion to support that person. In other words, people can do whatever that want in their lives, but whatever they do in their lives doesn't mean I'll agree with what they do.

Wear what you want, and if your team is Star Trek, wear that. Naturally, you will run into people who don't like the team you are rooting for, or think that you are wierd for being obssessive about it. That is on them, either to make a big deal out of it, or just move on.

Cmdr Sho, you made this thread - partly because you want to share your experiences as a Star Trek fan - but secondly because you want some validation for an activity which is important to you, but which (unfortunately) you feel somewhat insecure about and people sometimes give you grief over.

It is a strange feeling when you find something that helps you focus, or gives you strength, and that something - an object, symbol, or a fantasy like Star Trek - becomes important enough for you to choose occasional scorn for as opposed to giving up. I can guarantee you, it would be much worse for you to give up you vision than for you to shrug off the opposition. Folks who have a problem with you "as is" are never worth sacrificing a portion of your unique identity for (because of their lack of imagination.)

I don't think it has to do with "Lack of Imagination"..... maybe a lack of understanding, but not imagination.

JustKate mentioned something similar before, if you want people to understand what you like and what you believe in.... talk to them about it.... I see no need to act like a giant billboard walking down the street to achieve this.... but to each their own.

I've gotten a number of people into Star Trek over the years, including my wife, by just talking to them about it and showing a few episodes I figured they'd like. Many of them figured it was a nerd show and was just about ships going around shooting each other like Star Wars.... and eventually I got them to see that it's more about the characters and the situations they're put into, more then just flashy eye candy effects.

We live in a world of peer pressure. It isn't just "smoking in the boys room" type peer pressure; it is subtle social pressures that make us feel guilt for doing things differently. It is the feeling you get when you are driving 62 MPH in a 60 MPH freeway zone and people are crowding you from behind and zipping around you at 70. Your gut says that you should speed up and break the law with the masses; but logic says that you should just ignore them.

In some places here in Canada, where the max speed limit on highways is only 100kph, the cars drive usually around 140-150kph and if you keep to the speed limit and not stay with the flow of traffic, the cops will pull you over and fine you for obstructing traffic. I know this from driving through Quebec and Ontario a few years back.

Just some useless information ;)

But isn't wearing a uniform and pimping out what you like to everybody around you peer pressure as well?

What are you going to do? In the end, you have to learn to be - rule #1 - comfortable with yourself, always.

By being different - even labeled as wierd or eccentric - you can actually take the first step toward being a good leader. The easy thing to do is to blend in and do nothing that attracts attention. The right thing to do is to stand out and let your unique perspective bring a completely new dimension to the environment in which you are.

Cheers.

A lot of people get assassinated that way :lol:

I've always been the one labeled as the odd ball, nerd, loser kid in school.... I was always different, I stood out (being 6'6" that's not hard to do) and I while I kept much to my ways of living regardless of what other's think, I feel it's best to have a balance between the two extremes you used above.

I mean if you're way out there compared to the rest of society and just want to do your own thing..... how are you going to be a "leader" when nobody relates to you?

If you want to be a leader, you have to be original, you have to be creative, you have to set things in motion your own way..... But you have to do it in a way that will relate and attract other people to your ways...... bring them in slowly so to speak.

Everything is a balance, even the trivial things.
 
There are no Star Trek "uniforms". There are only Star Trek "costumes". The military, for example, wears uniforms (if I want to show my support for the military, I wouldn't go down to the surplus store, buy a complete uniform, and wear it to work or school). You need to earn the right to wear that uniform. They are a real-life organization, an actual entity. Star Trek and Starfleet are not. They are make-believe.

I fear that the few friends you might gain by wearing a Star Trek costume would be far outnumbered by those you'd alienate.
 
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