Weakest Season FOUR Episode (besides TATV)

[commodore64]

Mmmmnope, a Trip and T'Pol bashing thread would not be a good idea. But commie already knows this.

I figured as much. I appreciate the sentiment though, Mach5. I do remember a time when people commented in the T/T'P thread their unflattering thoughts -- I believe that's what may've led to bad feelings and why only now ship discussion is allowed. Probably best not to tempt fate. The BBS can only change so much.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Mmmmnope, a Trip and T'Pol bashing thread would not be a good idea. But commie already knows this.

I figured as much. I appreciate the sentiment though, Mach5. I do remember a time when people commented in the T/T'P thread their unflattering thoughts -- I believe that's what may've led to bad feelings and why only now ship discussion is allowed. Probably best not to tempt fate. The BBS can only change so much.

You misunderstand me, commie. We are not against constructive criticism in any discussion thread, as part of an exchange of a variety of perspectives, including positive ones.

[sidebar]The Trip/T'Pol shipper thread (and an Archer/T'Pol shipper thread, if anyone wishes to start one up again) are different, because they are technically not discussion threads, per se, but appreciation threads. That being said, there has been plenty of constructive criticism (including what some might even call bashing) of Trip and T'Pol by their own shippers in the T/T'P thread in the past.[/sidebar]

Shipper discussion has been back up and running for a while now, and the forum hasn't blown up. As long as discussion is civil and respectful, we'll have no problems. But the idea of a thread focused solely on the negatives of one couple...no. I'm not seeing how that would be a productive discussion.

 

[Captain X]

It's all pretty much been said before anyway.

 

[gblews]

Daedalus, because it could have been an awesome storyline about Archer being pulled in different directions by his personal and professional loyalties. Unfortunately, they cast Bill Cobbs, who could not evoke ANY sympathy whatsoever.

Agree. IMO, they cast the wrong "Bill". It should have been Bill Duke, who is a MUCH better actor than Cobbs.

Daedalus is my choice for weakest season 23 episode also. But as a testament to how good season 4 was, Daedalus, as dull as it was, was way better than some of the weaker season 3s like Exile and Extinction.

 

[The Sneeze Police]

Storm Fronts I & II. I could never get beyond the whole Nazi-alien premise. I remember thinking "Huh?" at the end of Zero Hour...and these two episodes did nothing to change that reaction... I just wish they could have wrapped up the Nazi Alien storyline in one episode...

Season 4 was a pretty solid season all in all, though with no absolutely cringe-worthy eps to my mind.

 

[cooleddie74]

A Space Nazi beats an old, boring dude in a wheelchair ANY day for sheer crappiness. When even "Patterns of Force" looks like "The Inner Light" compared to that episode, you know you've sold your soul to Fek'lhr for easy ratings.

 

[mythme]

I think I have to go with "Daedelus"; not just because of a lackluster script but because it made a MAJOR continuity mistake by saying that Henry Archer was still alive while Jon was in flight school when it just had been established in "Cold Station 12" that Jon was twelve when he died.

 

[jgdst]

^ I was never really sure about Henry Archer dying when Jon was 12 - I always assumed the young Jon in Broken Bow was somewhere between 12 and 14, so it seemed like an odd age to give for when his father died... Hmmm.

I'd have to say Bound, but I'm also not really a fan of Daedalus and Observer Effect to be honest.

I looked forward to the standalone episodes through season 4 as a welcome brief change of pace, nodding back to how the show used to be, but was left largely unimpressed by them. Home was the only standalone one I enjoyed.

 

[Plomeek Broth]

Daedalus - the inventor of the transporter has to be one of the most
unsympathetic characters in Trek history. Boooooooooring episode.

 

[Saul]

Bound.

 

[cooleddie74]

3 Worst:

1. TATV
2. Bound
3. Storm Front, Part II

 

[frenchman]

bound, definitivily. but some nice scenes in it. but the orion females, sexies but that's all.

 

[cooleddie74]

S4 had so many winners in its twenty-two offerings it's hard to come up with actual turds. The three I've been mentioning are about it. Even "Daedalus" has its subtle charms. And "Observer Effect" is nice and creepy and reintroduced the Organians after almost forty years away from the franchise.

 

[DeafPoet]

I don't mind "Daedalus" so much. And I actually kind of like "Bound." Sure it's kind of sexist and cheesy but I think that was the point. You know, hearkening back to TOS and all that jazz. If you ask me it's a lot of fun.

For me, it's gotta be either "Storm Front" installment. Just unwatchably bad. Nice production values for sure but they were saddled with those awful Evil Alien Space Nazis! Just didn't care about a single thing that was happening there and they robbed the whole Xindi arc of an organic conclusion.

Give me a "Home" two parter in place of those and Season 4 would have been damn near perfect.

 

[steevo]

It's hard for me to pick a weak episode in such a solid season, but Bound was definitely not a high point in Trek history.

 

[Captain X]

I never much cared for the "Super!Archer brings enlightenment to the noble savages" story arc, personally.

 

[Deckerd]

Anything 'crossover between alternative universes' sucks by definition. I like fantasy but one universe isn't enough?

 

[Captain X]

It needed some lesbians.

 

[Mach5]

I never much cared for the "Super!Archer brings enlightenment to the noble savages" story arc, personally.

Yes, but in this case, Archer was an accidental hero, and a mere instrument. It's the Surak's katra that did all the work anyway. Besides, the true hero of this arc was no other than 'Captain Trip.'

As for the MU two parter, yes, it could have used some lesbians, but it was fun none the less.

 

[Captain X]

Yes, but in this case, Archer was an accidental hero, and a mere instrument. It's the Surak's katra that did all the work anyway. Besides, the true hero of this arc was no other than 'Captain Trip.'

You watched those episodes, right? And how Archer was able to take on all those Vulcan commandos while his Vulcan officer who supposedly trained with them got taken out very early in the fight? You watched STIII, right? And how McCoy was next to useless and couldn't even properly deliver a nerve pinch, right? Sorry, but all theories about the katra making Archer stronger/faster/better completely ignore the only other example of a human carrying one, namely Dr. McCoy carrying Spock's.

As for the MU two parter, yes, it could have used some lesbians, but it was fun none the less.

MU T'Pol/Ho-Hoshi would've rocked and made the catfight that much more interesting if even more completely cliched.