There was reference in the interview to how "stately" things were in trek. Let's face it, most trek space battles were set up like spanish galleons lumbering around each other taking pot shots. Making things more kinetic and energetic might give more of an actual feel of starships facing off at relative velocities of, well, actual starships. Is that so bad?
"We have to bring more Star Wars into Star Trek."
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I think the reference was to the pacing and general depiction of the universe. In Trek, we generally see the ship and... planets, but rarely do we get a sense of how big the universe is in Trek.
If you were trying to be realistic, starships engaging in battle would probably be weapons platforms that would never come anywhere near visual range. The weapons would be doing all the manouvering (never have spelled that right).
My point is that Star Wars tends to have somewhat more kinetic FX sequences than traditional trek. As to what form more kinetic FX will take in the new movie - don't know. Some feel of the actual velocities involved in spaceflight might further help take the audience "out there" as I'm sure JJ and co. intend.
Think of it like this: TNG was the only series to give kinetic weight to warp speed with the "superfast" flyby seen mostly in the credits. Compare that to one of the more commonly seen stock warp flybys where it seems a tad slow-ish, if not for the warp streaks.
Star Wars is always good in my book and I think adding that level of excitment may make for a great movie.
No, THAT was bringing more Star Trek into Star Wars.
I alway liked that "galleon clash" feel of TWOK. And that's what I liked about the battle of Coruscant in ROTJ.
I just believe in Star Trek, we're kinda stuck with big ships, mostly. Even if DS9 used fightercraft to great effect, those were always just a minor part of the fleets. And big ships look best when they move rather slowly imo.
If they introduce fighter based space battles in Trek it would kinda be ludicrous, and if they have the big ships ziping around it'll probably be like the remastered "The Ultimate Computer" battles.
But I'm sure they will do the right thing with the FX. Maybe they can pull off cool warp strafing attacks or something
I just believe in Star Trek, we're kinda stuck with big ships, mostly. Even if DS9 used fightercraft to great effect, those were always just a minor part of the fleets. And big ships look best when they move rather slowly imo.
If they introduce fighter based space battles in Trek it would kinda be ludicrous, and if they have the big ships ziping around it'll probably be like the remastered "The Ultimate Computer" battles.
But I'm sure they will do the right thing with the FX. Maybe they can pull off cool warp strafing attacks or something
Oh, thank GOD for your last line! I was sooo afraid I'd end up agreeing with you completely.
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Well a guy named Rick Berman sterilized all of those wonderful concepts when it came to TNG.
Boy, that "bean counter" sure was economical when he counted every single phaser shot when it came to each and every episode of TNG.
Then, when he attempted to make 4 TNG films that were a combination of TWOK and "Die Hard in Space," they were mostly underwhelming.
We want the action/adventure back in Star Trek, a sense of wonder, excitement, mystery, and journeying into the unknown that made TOS popular in the first place.
The TNG formula is dead.
The Battlestar/Basestar battles in nuBSG are phenomenal. I'd love to see something like in Trek.
If a Star Wars vibe is wanted, they should just stick the crew on a shuttle (with weaponry) and have the bad guys chase them through an asteroid field.
That's not in dispute. And I have no reason to imagine that JJ Abrams will suddenly attempt to emulate Rick Berman's style.
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I'm only interested in capturing the tone of Star Wars, and I'm sure that's what Kurtzman had in mind when he said "We have to bring more Star Wars into Star Trek".
I want Star Trek XI to have that "rip-roaring all out fun/good time at the movies" tone that existed in the original Star Wars films, TWoK and FC (and TVH in a campy way). Hopefully, that's what the writers are talking about.
There are probably many ways to achieve this, and not one story idea is any more apt to achieve this than another -- it's about tone, not specific plot ideas. You example of sticking a crew on a shuttle and giving them weapons could possibly achieve this "fun time at the movies" if done correctly -- but given the wrong tone, a film like that could turn in to a dreadful and depressing tragic drama -- which would be very non-Star Wars-like.
Hey, according to Kor, they were in "Errand of Mercy."
I think it was a bad idea to put more Star Trek into Star Wars: political skullduggery? A biological basis for the force? Uh, no-no. I like sushi and I like apple pie. I don't think I'd like them mixed.
^ Yeah, Strudel, the scientific explanation for the Force and the DS9 esque political manipulations didn't fit well into the Star Wars universe. Just as lightsabre battles, and supernatural elements wouldn't work in Trek.
Hopefully Orci meant the 'fun' ethos of Wars moreso than the actual thematic content of Wars.
Hopefully Orci meant the 'fun' ethos of Wars moreso than the actual thematic content of Wars.
I love the fighter battles iN BSG, too. But that is also why I think people would laugh at something like that being a BSG/SW ripoff.
Small escort vessels might be a way to do it. Or a few combat shuttles.
