"We have to bring more Star Wars into Star Trek."
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To me, "bringing more Star Wars into Star Trek" is just an analogy that they wanted to bring more fun and adventure into Trek. One of the things that TNG and later Trek shows did was to cut down on the sometimes considered campy, over-the-top elements of TOS and concentrate more on being dramas that could be taken more seriously than TOS.
Well, they accomplished that, now it's time to go back to the things most general audiences remember Trek for while making it something that people other than us would like to see as well. No doubt it's not going to please everyone because many Trek fans have their own definition of what makes Trek work and what doesn't--but I don't think this film was ever meant to be solely for longtime/die-hard Trek fans to begin with, but would be respectful of them as much as possible...
Well, they accomplished that, now it's time to go back to the things most general audiences remember Trek for while making it something that people other than us would like to see as well. No doubt it's not going to please everyone because many Trek fans have their own definition of what makes Trek work and what doesn't--but I don't think this film was ever meant to be solely for longtime/die-hard Trek fans to begin with, but would be respectful of them as much as possible...
In your opinion. Interestingly enough, others do in fact think the OT was awesome.
On second thought, Star Trek already has Howard the Duck -- or at least duck lips. Jolene Blalock, anyone?
Zing! ("Mars" will take a Jolene, if you have one lying around--you don't even have to inflate her, he'll do it himself.)
You know what, though? I really love The Sopranos. So far as I'm concerned, it is the best tv show ever made. But I'd never say say Trek needs more Sopranos.* I'll go one better: I was watching Alien, one of my all time favorite movies, and a friend said "Why can't Star Trek be more like this." My response? "Because then... it wouldn't be... Star Trek."
This latest thing isn't the first we've heard about crossing the Stars: Abrams has said he's more an SW fan than a trekkie and Chris Pine said he's basing his Kirk on Han Solo, a character Kirk only bear the slightest of similarities to. So count me among RoJoHen's what was it now? Whiny retards? Ah yes, "retarded, whiny bitches." This--like so much of what we've heard and seen of this new movie and its makers does not bode well in the slightest. That the director of the sub-par Trek III (full disclosure: loved it at 14) and the execrable Trek IV (fd again: hated it at 16 and hate it more at 38)thinks it is wonderful is no comfort to me.
*I will say it could use a stiff shot of Mad Men. Neat, no chaser.
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Exactly! And we've already had too much SW in ST -- Neelix from VOY equals Jar Jar Binks!
-- RR
Well, you've been told T'Bonz. Comic Book Guy always knows bests. Anyway, a little Stars Wars in Trek wouldn't go amiss. Pointing out the obvious, but Star Trek of late lost it's grandiose edge. It became by the book and regulated. I'll take more bombastic swashbuckling escapades over warp core ejections and crysanthinum consumption anyday.
This topic reinforces my belief that the Trek XI forum has the most accurate and representative slogan of all.
What Star Trek needs is better storytelling and a jab in the arm with adrenaline.
I have always felt that Star Trek is/was driven very much by philosophy and Star Wars is/was driven by mythology. And the two franchises do very well at just that - drawing pictures and telling stories that everyone can relate to by using those... er, "engines".
It's good that they are different. Sometimes I feel reflective and I want to see something thought provoking and I'll watch some Trek and feel satisfied.
Some days I want to see shit get blown to pieces and that's when I'm going to watch Star Wars.
And I can't see Star Trek working with a mythology driven engine, it just wouldn't make any sense at all.
I'm sure Orci meant to say, "Star Trek needs more Star Trek."
"Original Star Trek," Orci emphasizes.
It's good that they are different. Sometimes I feel reflective and I want to see something thought provoking and I'll watch some Trek and feel satisfied.
Some days I want to see shit get blown to pieces and that's when I'm going to watch Star Wars.
And I can't see Star Trek working with a mythology driven engine, it just wouldn't make any sense at all.
I'm sure Orci meant to say, "Star Trek needs more Star Trek."
"Original Star Trek," Orci emphasizes.
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IMHO, Star Trek and Firefly need to get together to form a love child...
with Star Wars (first 3) and 2001: A Space Oddysee as the God Parents.
with Star Wars (first 3) and 2001: A Space Oddysee as the God Parents.
I did this one for an avatar contest over on the TOS board (the theme for the contest was "ducks"):
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Your loss. They were actually interesting, fun films, with plenty of action and plenty of "hottage" for either sex. Win-win. I refer to Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, not the lousy third one or the three imitators that have come out in the past decade. Star Wars should have just ended with the original trilogy, imnsho.
Any movie that has me standing in line to go see it the day after I got out of the hospital is a good movie.
I guess I've been told, eh?Star Trek could be compelling, or it could be stodgy. TNG very often veered into the stodgy. My worries with the new movie isn't that it'll be dull like that, but it'll try to cater to today's movie crowd and turn into something that just isn't Star Trek.
Firefly.
We need some pure white testosterone pumped into Star Trek.
Star Trek can lay on its back and take it.
Just like its done for other sci-fi shows over the past two decades.
Firefly.
We need some pure white testosterone pumped into Star Trek.
I was thinking more in terms of humor and interesting characters. "Firefly" may be vaguely macho by sf tv standards, but Whedon is rather the aesthete in comparison to most writers/producers of adventure stuff.
When I was a kid, I loved both ST and SW. And if someone said they're making a movie which combines the best elements of both universes, I'd be over the moon with joy.
That said, each franchise has its own flavours. Its own colours. It is like apples and oranges.
Trek is more thoughtful and intelligent. John Cho was right when he said it was more mature than 'Star Wars'. It deals with social issues in a futuristic guise. Star Wars is more of a rollicking boys own adventure, a fantasy epic in sci fi clothing. Both are enjoyable in their own right.
I do think Orci is right in saying that excitement needs to be brought back to Trek. When it first aired (I wasn't actually born at the time. I was born in '82), TOS was the coolest show around. It mixed action, philosophy, science, drama, and even light comedy into a package that was pure unadulterated fun. When TNG came out, I loved it. Now that I am slightly older, I realise that it did indeed siphon a lot of the excitement out of Trek. Let's have a fun Trek again.
If that means injecting a little bit of the Wars ethos (if not the Wars tendency to blow stuff up every two seconds), I'm all for it.
That said, each franchise has its own flavours. Its own colours. It is like apples and oranges.
Trek is more thoughtful and intelligent. John Cho was right when he said it was more mature than 'Star Wars'. It deals with social issues in a futuristic guise. Star Wars is more of a rollicking boys own adventure, a fantasy epic in sci fi clothing. Both are enjoyable in their own right.
I do think Orci is right in saying that excitement needs to be brought back to Trek. When it first aired (I wasn't actually born at the time. I was born in '82), TOS was the coolest show around. It mixed action, philosophy, science, drama, and even light comedy into a package that was pure unadulterated fun. When TNG came out, I loved it. Now that I am slightly older, I realise that it did indeed siphon a lot of the excitement out of Trek. Let's have a fun Trek again.
If that means injecting a little bit of the Wars ethos (if not the Wars tendency to blow stuff up every two seconds), I'm all for it.
