"We have to bring more Star Wars into Star Trek."
- Thread starter Admiral Buzzkill
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Exactly! Tap into the rules - the spirit - the DNA. You can make something that completely follows the 'canon' of events and not have it feel or be Star Trek at all.
Personally - if they felt like they took 'the best' of Star Trek history, used the character formulas, and went back to basics, took things from basically the 'springboard to a 1,000,000 worlds' idea that the original pitch had ---- I'd be happy.
If that means ENT didn't happen, or there's no Cage, or Balance of Terror is contradicted by this movie (do they have a shoot out with the Romulans?), or if the computer doesn't sound like Majel Barret, I'm cool.
Take it back to basics and make it have a great story. I'll deal with it.
I still don't see the reasoning behind needing more "Star Wars into Star Trek." They are two completely different universes, and need to be kept apart, and stay that way.
But you don't know exactly how they will apply that though. See it first and then see if you get what they mean.
Why do you hate Star Trek?
Don't bring your "reason" and "rationality" in here or I'll unload a whole can of truthiness on you.
Action? Excitement? Wonder? Mystery? Adventure? Hope?
Yeah, Star Trek needs some of that back.
That's the Star Trek I like.
Tachyon bursts and Borg-zombie movies be damned.
Anyone saying 'they're two different universes' or some such thing doesn't understand what the writer was trying to say.
Yeah, Star Trek needs some of that back.
That's the Star Trek I like.
Tachyon bursts and Borg-zombie movies be damned.
Anyone saying 'they're two different universes' or some such thing doesn't understand what the writer was trying to say.
I would say that, after ST:TMP, Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer brought more Star Wars (and Horatio Hornblower) into Star Trek.
I understand the desire for high energy, swashbuckling, fantasy/adventure. But to refer to all that as "Star Wars" is just incendiary.
No. Why are you raping my parent's childhoods?
I wonder exactly what JJ and crew think you are...
I'm with you 100%. The last thing Trek needs is broad international appeal, revolutionary special effects, and a level of success that influences virtually every aspect of the motion picture industry.
Depends on how badly people want to take offense.
I'm all for a bit of the original Star Wars style swashbuckling and adventure making its way into the new version of Star Trek. It's certainly more interesting than watching a movie filled with pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo, utterly incomprehensible technobabble and cookie cutter perfect characters.
We have to remember that Star Trek's II, III and IV all exhibited far more good old fashioned swashbuckling and derring do than any of the post TNG series or movies could muster (I can't imagine Picard stealing the Enterprise, can you?).
Modern Trek seemed determined to depict humanity, and by extension the Federation, as approaching complete moral perfection, and therefore completely bereft of any sense of wonder, action or excitement. Excitement was eschewed in favour of graviton beams, polaron bursts, thalaron radiation and endless reconfiguring of the main deflector in order to advance the plot. The one time they actually made a conscious decision to ditch all the perfection crap in favour of some action (First Contact), it turned out to be the most successful Trek movie in 10 years.
Perhaps Orci and Kurtzman's choice of words was ill advised. Instead of saying they need to bring more Star Wars into Star Trek, they should have said they want to return to the excitement, action and undertones of humour so readily apparent in Star Trek II, Star Trek III and Star Trek IV, and to a lesser extent, in First Contact.
We have to remember that Star Trek's II, III and IV all exhibited far more good old fashioned swashbuckling and derring do than any of the post TNG series or movies could muster (I can't imagine Picard stealing the Enterprise, can you?).
Modern Trek seemed determined to depict humanity, and by extension the Federation, as approaching complete moral perfection, and therefore completely bereft of any sense of wonder, action or excitement. Excitement was eschewed in favour of graviton beams, polaron bursts, thalaron radiation and endless reconfiguring of the main deflector in order to advance the plot. The one time they actually made a conscious decision to ditch all the perfection crap in favour of some action (First Contact), it turned out to be the most successful Trek movie in 10 years.
Perhaps Orci and Kurtzman's choice of words was ill advised. Instead of saying they need to bring more Star Wars into Star Trek, they should have said they want to return to the excitement, action and undertones of humour so readily apparent in Star Trek II, Star Trek III and Star Trek IV, and to a lesser extent, in First Contact.
Right. The moment I saw this line from Orci I knew people would be all over it reacting as if he'd threatened to shoot their dog.
Why not take a moment to consider his words? It's not like they're making a Star Wars movie under the name 'Star Trek'. They're taking the best elements of Star Wars (adventure, high quality action, an epic scale) and insert them into this Star Trek movie. Sounds good to me!
I wonder how people would respond if Ihra Behr did an interview and admitted that they tried to make DS9 more like Star Wars when they did the Dominion War.
If we see the Enterprise go up against squadrons of itty bitty fighters going "Pew pew pew!", I'll be most happy. I've always thought Trek was a bit lacking in that regard.
Those Maquis fighters in TNG, the Federation fighters in the Dominion War, and the Vaadwaur vs. Voyager... all sweet sweet goodness.
Those Maquis fighters in TNG, the Federation fighters in the Dominion War, and the Vaadwaur vs. Voyager... all sweet sweet goodness.
They need to keep their collective heads down between now and when the publicity machine officially gets rolling, I know that much for sure.
The slightest remark is taken to its worst case scenario. As long as it looks like Star Trek, walks like Star Trek, talks like Star Trek and is wise, witty and wonderful to know...
The slightest remark is taken to its worst case scenario. As long as it looks like Star Trek, walks like Star Trek, talks like Star Trek and is wise, witty and wonderful to know...
