Be good if it was true though. Sounds like an easy way to make a few bucks.
WB's Justice League 2017 movie pre-discussion thread
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Is it really that hard to believe that maybe, just maybe, some people just don't like the DCEU movies? People can disagree with you without being paid off.
I understand being annoyed when movies you like get ripped on, but you really need to just learn to accept that maybe people just don't agree with you. It's just a case of people disagreeing with, not some crazy ass paranoid conspiracy theory.
Its a mess.
Or it could just be that people like the MCU's execution better, or don't think that what works for the mcu works nearly as well for the dceu.
Yeah, it's not. Just saw it. It's pretty much exactly what I said elsewhere.....It's DC does an MCU film. Lot's of action. Lot's of good banter between heroes. Weak villain.
My spoiler free thoughts:
It was a straight forward film that might as well have been called "Justice League: Now you can stop your fucking whining". Did you whine about Superman's costume not having enough color? Fixed. Did you whine about Superman not smiling? Fixed. Did you whine about Superman not saving civilians? Fixed. Did you whine about not enough humor or smiling heroes? Fixed. Most of the stuff people have been whining about for years, they addressed and fixed, but there's still a loose end or two.
All the characters were spot on, and enjoyable. Flash and Aquaman were both charismatic and funny and I can't wait to see their movies. This film felt epic, especially the flashback to the age of heroes, when Steppenwolf first invades Earth. I won't spoil anything, but there's a nice call out that makes the whole scene feel even more epic than it already is. Really makes the the DCEU feel larger and it's a great nod to it's wider universe.
It also managed to work in some backstory on Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg, as they were working on the mystery of the parademons. None of it bothered me. People forget that The Avengers spent twenty to thirty minutes having to re-explain who and what everything of import was for the people who either didn't see any of the lead in's, or only saw some of the lead in films. We didn't have to worry about that. Justice League also assumes you don't need to have your hand held to understand who these characters are by having solo films. We didn't need them for Seven Samurai, Magnificent Seven, Oceans Eleven, Dirty Dozen, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly or any of the almost too numerous to count ensemble movies over the last one hundred years of cinema.
Like those films, audiences can figure out who the stalwart leader is, who the power house is, who the ladies man is, who the young naive guy is, who the cocky guy is, who the warrior is, who the brooding guy is, etc, etc without needing solo movies.
The villain was a standard MCU style villain, in that they don't really spend a lot of time on his motivation: He prepares worlds for Darkseid (yes, he mentions Darkseid), and that's pretty much it. The CGI on his face was Thanos level, his mouth never seemed to move convincingly enough for me, though the rest of him looked okay. I'm not really familiar with this version of Steppenwolf or this version of the Mother Boxes. Parademons were spot on.
I enjoyed this film because it was fun, and because while I enjoyed Snyder's take, I also enjoy a traditional take, which this felt like. Sadly it felt a little too safe as well. I also appreciate that this movie seemed to treat Kirby's creations with more respect than Ragnarok, which turned them into clowns. It was cool to see the list of all the various creators over the decades get a call out in the end credits. As a Kirby fan I loved that after they did the "Superman created by..." "Batman created by...." "Wonder Woman created by...." bit they left a space and smack dab in the middle of that was "Fourth World created by Jack Kirby".
All in all, a solid, enjoyable film that should placate those who've not been fans of the DCEU's tone or muted colors. On a personal level, as a DC fan, I rate the movie an "A". On a more objective level I rate it a solid "B". This is the DC movie that a lot of unhappy fans have been waiting for.
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Which doesn't make sense.
If two restaurants prepare and serve the same dish exactly the same, and yet one of those restaurants is constantly being criticized while the other is being constantly praised, it is not unreasonable or far-fetched to conclude that something "fishy" is going on, all other things being equal.
Unless they aren't doing it exactly the same, and one is trying to put more flash into the food than is actually there. Dressing it up without taste testing it.
I agree. I smell the taint of hypocrisy.
The thing is that many critics are complaining that it's too much like Marvel . . . which I find rather hypocritical, considering that they used to demand that the DCEU movies should be more like the MCU output. Like I said . . . hypocrisy.
But it's not equal at all!
The ingredients are vastly different. The build-up to the team-up movie, the actors, the pacing... if you're putting Affleck as equals on the same charismatic chart as Downey Jr, or saying Loki in the first team up movie is equal in any respect to Steppenwolf, then I question your comprehension of the english language when you use phrases like "exactly the same".
Cheap knock-offs might look identical on the surface, but there's a reason they aren't as valuable as the original being copied.
Mark Kermode's review said as much - 'A hodgepodge, it's a mess'. He went on to include 'too many characters, not enough characterisation, turgid, crushingly dull and felt like four hours'. He had some other criticisms too.
He must be in the pay of Disney.
Undoubtedly.
I've been saying for years that we made a mistake giving that mouse his own little dictatorship within the U.S. They have their own money and police force! It was just a matter of time before they started taking over other parts of our country.
I'm pretty sure Mickey is responsible for Benghazi too.
I'm pretty sure Mickey is responsible for Benghazi too.
I assume we will get an extended Blu Ray version? I imagine quite a big extended edition since WB decided to cram a huge story in less then 2 hours, which I've heard is an issue leading to the pacing problems and undeveloped characters/plot threads. At this rate we may as well stop going to cinema and wait for Blu Rays for future DCEU movies.
They’re the same in the same sense that Coca-Cola is exactly the same as Generic Cola. The can is red, it says cola and there’s sugar in it. But it’s still a cheap knock off. Same people prefer it and I can’t fault them for loving what they love, but there are differences.
Marvel Studios clearly has a plan and now is pretty confident in their process. Enough so that they turned one of their weirder properties into one of their most beloved group of characters. Making Guardians was a huge risk, most of the characters were aliens, one being a talking raccoon and another his tree friend. But they made them all likeable and relatable. Especially Rocket and Groot. DC is struggling and I think it’s mainly because WB doesn’t believe in the characters. It’s a cynical attempt to make Avengers level money and every single movie is clearly a course correction for the last one. It’s pretty obvious they reshot a lot of this movie because of the criticisms of BvS, mainly Superman being completely unlikeable. JL is a better movie than every DC film except for Wonder Woman, but that’s not really praise.
Mickey slipped me $20 to post in this thread.
People will believe any old thing that makes them comfortable.