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WB's Justice League 2017 movie pre-discussion thread

M'rk son of Mogh said:
I'm saving this for a chuckle next year when the next Avengers movie comes out.
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No need. Black Panther is the next superhero, so we can find out then.

At the same time though, I did say "perhaps". A supposition, a scenario, unverifiable whether it's true or false. ;)

Tosk said:
No, people just go to see movies they're interested in. You don't think some westerns did poorly back in the day even though the genre as a whole was thriving? "More of the same" is an easy line to throw out, but it actually speaks to the quality of the film, not the number of releases. People don't get excited about a film that is, "Okay, I guess." Ragnarok seems to be doing just fine for itself. Unless the fatigue set in within the last few weeks? ;)
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Well, Ragnarok and JL do share the same target audience. Perhaps people felt compelled to spend $15-20 on one (Thor), but didn't feel inclined to 10 days later to spend on another film in the same genre.

Then you have Star Wars Ep VIII. I know a lot of people are saving their pennies for that movie in a month or so.

Just spit balling ideas. WW bought DC a lot of good credit and she's a big star in JL. One would imagine the supposed bad taste of BvS was removed by WW's success. Then again, SS wasn't hurt by BvS. So, who knows. Fatigue was my explanation for the unexplainable.
 
Tosk said:
If you take every single film into account, then it makes DC look even stupider. All those decades of experience (and several of their films were and are fantastic) and they still fumbled the DCEU?
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Exactly. The whole idea tha tthe MCU is just the "same old" feels about the same as the Batman films. They whad good films and they had bad films ut most of them appealed to someone in someway.

These new DC films don't appeal to me in any way. And, you're right, it is frustrating when you look at how DC films started out.
 
M.A.C.O. said:
Fatigue was my explanation for the unexplainable.
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Dream gave you a better one. :)

Besides, it's not as though JL has already bombed. It may have legs and we're all getting ahead of ourselves. Hollywood's obsession with opening has us all declaring movies hits or bombs ten minutes after the first screenings.
 
People keep saying they finally made a Thor movie that's not crap, but I'm not spending another 20 bucks on the chance.
 
Tosk said:
If you take every single film into account, then it makes DC look even stupider. All those decades of experience (and several of their films were and are fantastic) and they still fumbled the DCEU?
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Yeah, no. There are several studios who are a century old. By your logic every film these studios churn out should be picture perfect due to that century of experience. But they aren't. Mainly because they aren't the same people, with the same agendas in the same market place.
 
The Lensman said:
Yeah, no. There are several studios who are a century old. By your logic every film these studios churn out should be picture perfect due to that century of experience. But they aren't. Mainly because they aren't the same people, with the same agendas in the same market place.
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My point was more about the oddity of comparing all DC movies to all Marvel movies, regardless of the company that made them.
 
M.A.C.O. said:
No need. Black Panther is the next superhero, so we can find out then.

At the same time though, I did say "perhaps". A supposition, a scenario, unverifiable whether it's true or false. ;)



Well, Ragnarok and JL do share the same target audience. Perhaps people felt compelled to spend $15-20 on one (Thor), but didn't feel inclined to 10 days later to spend on another film in the same genre.

Then you have Star Wars Ep VIII. I know a lot of people are saving their pennies for that movie in a month or so.

Just spit balling ideas. WW bought DC a lot of good credit and she's a big star in JL. One would imagine the supposed bad taste of BvS was removed by WW's success. Then again, SS wasn't hurt by BvS. So, who knows. Fatigue was my explanation for the unexplainable.
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That's not how it worked for me. WW did bring some extra goodwill on my part, but only just enough to make me consider maybe thinking about going to see JL. And then every single JL trailer was an increasing letdown, and with bad reviews on top of that and the experience of BVS and SS still very much in my head, I firmly decided to skip this one anyway. I'll see it when it hits the library, and I'll wait for WW2 (or maybe Aquaman, depending on the trailers - I do like the idea/potential) to head back to the cinema for a dceu movie.
 
And a B+ rating is not enough to push this film forward. These films do not live or die based on fan support or fatigue or people not wanting to see a super-hero film. People want to pay money to see films that will entertain and be "good" movies. Wonder Woman was successful not because of its opening weekend but because it was a film that people really liked and they told their friends who then went to see the film and told their friends, etc.

BVS made big money because of a successful opening weekend, but there wasn't the buzz from people who saw the movie so other people didn't engage with it.

This movie has lackluster reviews and fan reaction. If the people going to see the movie this weekend aren't telling their friends to see it then it will have a short shelf life.

WB needs to realize if it makes a good DC film then people will see it. If it makes mediocre DC films then they won't.

I don't think this is a complicated idea.
 
theenglish said:
WB needs to realize if it makes a good DC film then people will see it. If it makes mediocre DC films then they won't.

I don't think this is a complicated idea.
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It's a theory undercut by the fact that people gobble up Marvel's crapfests.
 
I've just been to see the film and I don't know why everyone is so down about it, I thoroughly enjoyed it. If I had any gripes its that it wasn't long enough so that I could savour it longer. To quote Felicity Smoak in last year's 'Arrowverse' crossover: "Best team-up ever!". It wasn't full as the cinema I saw it in (in 2D) isn't the most popular in the city and it was a Sunday morning, but it was far from empty and the general consensus I overheard from people walking up the aisle as they were leaving was positive. Oh and if you do go, stay until the very end of the tile crawl as there's a Marvel-style end-credit scene as well as a scene early in the credits that evokes a classic DC Comics cover. I'm so pumped for this film I'm giving serious thought to going again tonight to another cinema to see it in 3D :).
 
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