Waters of Mars part 2

[DWF]

I don't think you can say that it's RTD's fault, Genesis Of The Daleks forever altered the history of the Daleks. And I kind of think that the presence of Darvos, the Makra and even the Master means that he didn't just throw away the continuity of the old series.

I didn't say he did, completely. I'm actually a big fan of RTD, for the most part. I was just pointing out that I think he's much more guilty (for want of a better word) of doing what Jolly Ole Saint RoJo accused Moffat of than Moffat himself. They're not the only ones either, but Russell seemed like a prime choice to use as an example.

Well just don't forget the Doctor saw the end of Atlantis twice.

 

[Phily B]

Man, I jus find Moffat more and more unlikable. Basically, he says, "I'm too lazy to write stories within the established continuity, so I did this so I can cheat and do whatever the hell I want."

Or he could be saying; "I, as an intelligent writer, recognise that removing present-day-Earth so far from our own experiences as to ultimately render it recognisable and unrelatable - as well as affecting much of the future history of the Whoniverse - was a massive mistake, so I'm fixing it". In fact, it was RTD who changed the established continuity, which existed for decades before 2005, and featured stories set far in the future in which the existence of aliens came as a complete surprise. The Dalek invasion of 2008 certainly never happened before The Stolen Earth (Henry Van Statten didn't know what a Dalek was in 2012). The whole "time in flux" thing was a result of the Time War - a Davies invention - and Moffat, like all previous producers/showrunners, is certainly free to adhere to and/or ignore it if he wishes.

But with SJA and TW around, I doubt it'll be changed on screen too much. Moffat will use it if he can, but RTD just used to just say something like "psycodelic government experiment gone wrong" or something.

 

[Starkers]

Well I can see why Moffat's done it, and it makes sense, but returning Earth to a default setting only lasts so long, even if you trim down the number of alien invasions of Earth, it is a staple of the show so eventually we'll get to the same point again

 

[RoJoHen]

I mostly just think it's annoying because, unlike most shows where aliens appear on Earth, Doctor Who was one of the view to actually make it public knowledge. It made the show special. There were no reset buttons, no government conspiracies to cover up the truth. I enjoyed that.

 

[Phily B]

Moffat hasn't gone for the grand scale that RTD did anyway, so its all a moot point. The one time we did see something on a grand scale, most people were just taking pictures of them on their mobile phones. Which is probably what would happen in real life anyway.

 

[arch101]

but isnt present day Earth being kept recongiseable for the sake of the spin-offs?

But some of the bigger stuff from DW has carried to the spin-offs. The Canary Wharf battle with the Cybermen was a big plot point of an early TW ep. Although, for nostalgia's sake, I would have liked for the wrecked Dalek shell to hang around The Hub after Journey's End. (there was probably a copyright issue with the Dalek appearing on another show)

 

[David cgc]

I'm not sure, actually. The Daleks can be used in any show so long as Terry Nation's estate approves it, since the ownership of the concept went with the author, not the studio, so it would've been prohibitive to pay royalties out just to show off a bit of crushed Dalek (even if it was just going to be in the one episode of CoE, it wasn't part of the story, so it'd just be throwing away money).

However, I'm pretty sure the BBC owns the physical design of the Daleks, so they might've actually be able to have a Dalek casing as set dressing, so long as it didn't do anything Dalek-y, without having to pay out any royalties.

 

[wamdue]

but isnt the only episode to feature the Hub after Journey's End, Children of Earth Part 1?

apart from the Radio4 episodes* of course, but you obviously wouldnt see a Dalek casing in those.

* and the usual books and comics

 

[Iamnotspock]

apart from the Radio4 episodes* of course, but you obviously wouldnt see a Dalek casing in those.

But you can imagine it there if you want.

 

[wamdue]

apart from the Radio4 episodes* of course, but you obviously wouldnt see a Dalek casing in those.

But you can imagine it there if you want.

well I suppose you could.

that said you dont hear that much of the hub in those episodes, Golden Age is set in India, and if memory serves Lost Souls was set fully at CERN.

You could only do it for part of The Dead Line & Asylum.

 

[bigdaddy]

I just saw The Waters of Mars and haven't seen the next episodes, however I must say that was one amazing episode. They made water scary and the characters in 60 minutes feel like their death matter. I really was thinking The Doctor would just ditch for awhile, that he is getting old and tied of life and then he goes "mad" and does what he wants. It was just a great 62 minutes of TV.

 

[Stevil2001]

apart from the Radio4 episodes* of course, but you obviously wouldnt see a Dalek casing in those.

But you can imagine it there if you want.

well I suppose you could.

that said you dont hear that much of the hub in those episodes, Golden Age is set in India, and if memory serves Lost Souls was set fully at CERN.

You could only do it for part of The Dead Line & Asylum.

Your time during Lost Souls would be better spent imagining that John Barrowman knew how to act for radio.

 

[wamdue]

But you can imagine it there if you want.

well I suppose you could.

that said you dont hear that much of the hub in those episodes, Golden Age is set in India, and if memory serves Lost Souls was set fully at CERN.

You could only do it for part of The Dead Line & Asylum.

Your time during Lost Souls would be better spent imagining that John Barrowman knew how to act for radio.

Is that something they even teach actors anymore? I think the BBC maybe the only people in the whole world who do still make drama for radio.

 

[Iamnotspock]

Your time during Lost Souls would be better spent imagining that John Barrowman knew how to act for radio.

Is that something they even teach actors anymore? I think the BBC maybe the only people in the whole world who do still make drama for radio.[/QUOTE]

Yes they do. I'm currently looking into Drama Schools and they certainly do teach radio acting.

 

[wamdue]

Your time during Lost Souls would be better spent imagining that John Barrowman knew how to act for radio.

Is that something they even teach actors anymore? I think the BBC maybe the only people in the whole world who do still make drama for radio.

Yes they do. I'm currently looking into Drama Schools and they certainly do teach radio acting. [/QUOTE]thanks for posting, I freely admit I could do with some voice training, just for every day life, I would be a hopeless radio actor.

 

[Starkers]

In Barrowman's defence he is by his nature a stage performer, which is very different to telly, and probably even more of a leap to radio.