Waters of Mars part 2

[Butters]

At the end of WoM, when the Doctor realises that he has gone too far and that his demise is imminent, and he rushes to the Tardis where the cloister bell is ominously chiming, and we see him realise what must be done to put things right before disappearing into the night.

What happened next ? Is there a bit missing from the final edit where he puts the world right, retracts his Timelord Victorious declaration and takes a well deserved holiday before finally visiting the Ood and uncovering some new and entirely unconnected threat to the fabric of reality? As it stands, the ending of Waters of Mars and the opening of End of Time make no sense to me. What did I miss?

 

[wamdue]

its possible that The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith takes place after Waters of Mars, it is unclear.

the Doctor does not undo the damage however, history rewrites, the Doctor takes his sweet time answring the Oods call.

 

[Starkers]

What did we miss? Likely some rumpy pumpy with Elizabeth the 1st

 

[Count Zero]

He runs, basically. He tries his very best to forget the summons by the Ood and gets involved in a number of adventures, some of them apparently ill-thought out (having sex with and probably even marrying Elizabeth I and then running off, for example), but in the end he does go to the Ood. He mentions some of the stuff he did inbetween the two episodes at the beginning of The End of Time. It always made perfect sense to me.

 

[Butters]

^ But his prophesied death in The End of Time had nothing to do with his growing arrogance, or the Timelord Victorious. His actions in WoM did not facilitate the return of the Time Lords or the resurrection of the Master. That fixed point in time that he altered, there were no consequences. The entire fate of the universe pivoted on that moment but it made no difference. Thats what I'm missing. I was expecting comeuppance.

 

[Butters]

Double Post

 

[Count Zero]

The consequence was that Adelaide killed herself instead of dying on Mars. And because the Doctor is still a good man at heart that was enough for him to realise that he'd gone wrong.

And then the Ood shows up, implying his death is close.

 

[David cgc]

Of course, given the ages he quotes, something like two years go by between "Mars" and "End of Time." The Cloister Bell must've gotten really annoying after all that time.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

its possible that The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith takes place after Waters of Mars, it is unclear.

Per the IDW comics, it either takes place long before "The Waters of Mars" or in the unchronicled span before "The End of Time." Issue #16 leads directly into "The Waters of Mars," so the Doctor would have had to visit Sarah Jane and stopped her wedding before his trip to see Archie Maplin in the 1920s and the subsequent adventures with Emily and Matthew. I, personally, think "The Wedding" comes before the IDW comics, because the Doctor's personality in the story doesn't fit with the "on the run from time" vibe from "The End of Time."

 

[wamdue]

I had not considered things like the IDW comics, worth remebering that there is also "Planet of the Dead" to consider.

When you list everything, there is alot more than you think between Journey's End & End of Time.

Music of the Sphers, The Next Doctor, Planet of the Dead, Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith, Waters of Mars.

To say nothing of the various books & comics, that said the two magazines having there own companions for that time peroid, makes them even harder to fit into the time line.

 

[Butters]

Adelaide killed herself because of what the Doctor said, not what he did. She wouldn't have killed herself if he'd kept his gob shut about fixed points and little people and stuff. Which reminds me of another nitpick. Why didn't the Doctor just deliver the survivors safely to some golden age on a paradise planet in the distant future? History unchanged, everyones a winner!

And yes, the cloister bell. Why was it even ringing?

 

[wamdue]

And yes, the cloister bell. Why was it even ringing?

I may have this wrong, but doesnt it aleart the Doctor of trouble, things like paradoxes and income Oods.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

^ But his prophesied death in The End of Time had nothing to do with his growing arrogance, or the Timelord Victorious. His actions in WoM did not facilitate the return of the Time Lords or the resurrection of the Master. That fixed point in time that he altered, there were no consequences. The entire fate of the universe pivoted on that moment but it made no difference. Thats what I'm missing. I was expecting comeuppance.

You're looking too hard for the literal.

The Doctor's just losing it because he knows he's going to die soon.

 

[Sci]

At the end of WoM, when the Doctor realises that he has gone too far and that his demise is imminent, and he rushes to the Tardis where the cloister bell is ominously chiming, and we see him realise what must be done to put things right before disappearing into the night.

What happened next ? Is there a bit missing from the final edit where he puts the world right, retracts his Timelord Victorious declaration and takes a well deserved holiday before finally visiting the Ood and uncovering some new and entirely unconnected threat to the fabric of reality? As it stands, the ending of Waters of Mars and the opening of End of Time make no sense to me. What did I miss?

The timeline was put right when Adelaide killed herself.

The Doctor reacted to the Ood's call by running away and avoiding them. He had numerous adventures, some of which were recounted at the beginning of "The End of Time, Part One." He was running away from his destiny after realizing his hubris in trying to control time itself.

ETA:

Why didn't the Doctor just deliver the survivors safely to some golden age on a paradise planet in the distant future? History unchanged, everyones a winner!

Because he got arrogant and thought he could re-write a fixed point in time to whatever he wanted.

 

[RoJoHen]

The Doctor has a huge freak out moment after Adelaide kills herself. He knows that his time is near, and he knows that he made a HUGE mistake trying to re-write time just to suit his ego. When the Ood vision appears, the Doctor almost reacts as if he is being confronted by Death itself. He panics, and he runs away.

Unseen adventures ensue, and when we see him in the beginning of "The End of Time," the Doctor is clearly in denial about everything he has done wrong.

 

[od0_ital]

Dreamland must happen sometime 'round all that, too, since the 10th Doctor is still runnin' 'round alone in that animated movie.

 

[Phily B]

He seemed to ignore the cloister bell for a while, and thats why time was messed up and he arrived a day or two after the master escaped and burnt down the prison. He also said the Ood progressed far too quickly, and who knows what else?

Maybe thats what the Ood in Series 6 is about, they didn't really expand on that plot point and we know Moffat asked RTD to leave certain plot points open.

 

[Tom]

The timeline was put right when Adelaide killed herself.

Umm.. not entirely true since there were two other survivors and the fact the Adelaide was at home when found dead, not dieing heroicly on Mars.

 

[Phily B]

The fixed point in time (which is the important part) was put right. It does show the timeline has been changed like The Doctor said - same things happen, just different circumstances.

 

[Stevil2001]

Yeah, the BBC news website in the Doctor's head changes at that point to say that Adelaide's granddaughter still did her thing.