Watching Star Trek for the first time (again)

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Neopeius, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Neopeius

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    Two more familiar faces, who appeared on the incestuous lot of Mission: Impossible tonight:

    Barry Russo (who gets promoted from Lt. Commander to Commodore in very short order):

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  2. Neopeius

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    Today, Lorelei and I watched a double feature of The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming! and The Alphabet Murders (she's desperate for any Tony Randall).

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    Anyway, the latter is not very good, but the former is absolutely excellent. And it features two actors we've recently seen on Star Trek!

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  3. MAGolding

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    I suppsose that you mean Michael J. Pollard and Andrea Dromm.

    But you omitted Sheldon Collins/Sheldon Golomb.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0172682/?ref_=tt_cl_t_12
     
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  4. Neopeius

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    What possibly gave you that impression?

    Good catch! To be fair, we haven't gotten to the second season yet, so he's not fresh in my mind. :)
     
  5. Neopeius

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    Today, we watched the second episode of The Menagerie. It was a banner crowd -- well over 30 throughout the various rooms.

    But the coolest bit was, after the show was over, I read the latest Yandro, exhorting folks to write letters to Desilu, NBC, TV Guide, and like that, to make sure the show both stays on the air and doesn't get stupid (the Irwin Allen shows were specifically mentioned...)

    I can't wait till the first fanzines come out early next year!
     
  6. Neopeius

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    Reading Yandro this month (November '66 issue), I found it interesting that at least some fans were aware that Menagerie was a clip-show. Those who went to Tricon, of course, would certainly know that. I just wonder if it was commonly known among the casual fen.

    Also interesting (as mentioned in another thread), the great effort to save Star Trek at the end of '66 had nothing to do with Trek getting a full first season, since NBC had asked for the extra 10 episodes by early October. It probably didn't hurt publicity, though. And maybe won some fen over to the show, since a lot of fen looked down their nose at TV stf.
     
  7. The Old Mixer

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    I wouldn't classify "The Menagerie" as a clip show. It was their way of making use of the original pilot as a broadcast episode; the material within was all new to the TV audience.
     
  8. Neopeius

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    Fair enough. :) I was trying for brevity.

    In any event, some fen recognized "The Cage" inside "The Menagerie."
     
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    Also, they didn't eat any cheesecake.
     
  10. Nerys Myk

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    "Fen". Been I while since I've heard that one.
     
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    "Would you say this bagel is worth a man's SOUL?"

    11-24-66 That Girl

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    How about this donut? WORTH A MAN'S SOUL?!"

    11-28-26 The Monkees

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    The donut, maybe.
     
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    I don't get on here often enough to make this a timely response, but I wanted to weigh in here.

    I have never heard that Montalban had to be toned down from being too big. I spoke with Nick Meyer at length, many years ago when we brought him to Indianapolis for a Sherlockian conference, and he told me that Montalban was completely prepared for every scene and gave a very consistent performance. He said Shatner started out as larger than he wanted in his scenes with Khan. Meyer says he took several takes with Shatner and, as he tired, he got more and more subtle in his delivery. He told me it was a great advantage that the two actors never actually appeared together. It allowed him to balance the performances perfectly against each other in the editing room. Meyer said, in most cases, he used a later take of Shatner's; but that it was almost always Montalban's first take.

    I had the above, first hand, from "the horse's mouth"....

    And there's no question that Nick Meyer captured what is probably William Shatner's most subtle and nuanced performance, ever.

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  14. ZapBrannigan

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    Hey, apparently we got very differing information from Meyer. I was remembering this video...

    ...in which he does say that Montalban was screaming his dialogue in the first scene they shot, and his performance had to be toned done. I wouldn't make that up. :)
     
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    IIRC the first sequence Montalban filmed was his introduction, where Khan is laying into Chekov and Terrell. It’s his most theatrical scene so it’s not surprising he might have played it too big. If that were the case and Meyer told him “never show them your top” and he found the level Meyer wanted, both versions of the story can be lower-case true.
     
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  16. ZapBrannigan

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    It should be noted that going big and playing a scene furiously doesn't mean bad acting. Sometimes they give an Oscar for that. Montalban knew his business. And Meyer said he doesn't like to rehearse a movie cast much because it kills spontaneity. So how would Montalban know where to start?

    I recall Francis Ford Coppola talking about Dracula. He requires actors to show up for readings with a pen and notebook, to ensure the best decisions get saved. And he implied that he does like to get things down in rehearsal, get the performances to where he wants them before the actual shoot, when a lot of money is being burned per minute. That sounds like a better plan to me. And I think William Shatner would agree, because in some director's Starlog interview, Shatner was said to be very big on rehearsing the TOS cast at a table between takes, which the director found annoying.
     
  17. Maurice

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    Some actors are great on camera but burn out quickly. Others build a performance layer by layer, rehearsal after rehearsal, take after take. If you want the Coppola approach you don't necessarily want the first type of actor.
     
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  18. Neopeius

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    Many thanks!

    I understand some preferring “The Cage” on its own, but without this two-parter audiences might likely never have seen anything of “The Cage” except maybe decades later as some curiosity. I agree in one swoop TOS was given more in-universe history and texture with “The Menagerie” as a two-part episode.
     
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    I thought it was an interesting perspective, and while not a common one, at least several dozen people saw the pilot before the two-parter, so I'm glad it was captured. And it does appear that it was reasonably commonly apprehended that "The Menagerie" was a fix-up of sorts.

    Of course, I enjoyed it all a great deal! :) For me, "The Menagerie" is when Star Trek ceases to be a space anthology show and becomes it's own thing. It also marks the first appearance of the entity "Starfleet".
     
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