Watching "Boobytrap" have a minor quibble...

[cbspock]

My problem with this episode was the whole concept of using the holodeck. So why exactly have a team of engineers on board the ship??? Geordi couldn't work with his team to fix the problem???

Also, they knew the assimilators loved energy, so why the hell fire phasers at them..lol

-Chris

In the concept of the episode it seems Geordi needed to refer to a "design prototype" in order to "go back to the drawing board" to solve the problem from the ground up. But, yeah, he could have used his fellow engineers to do this but then we needed the dramatic plot point of Geordi "falling in love" and needing to learn to communicate with women naturally rather than "trying."

Just put some rockets on the hull, and problem solved.

-Chris

 

[CommanderRaytas]

They kind of never use their crack team of super awesome Starfleet engineers, come to think about it.

I don't think such a team exists. The flagship was downed by a 20 year old POS, Deep Space 9 went at least 7 years with alien CRT monitors flashing tiny low res graphics that didn't make a lick of since.

I DEMAND PROOF OF THEIR EXISTENCE!

I believe you might be onto something. Those "famed engineers" are advertised more often than not, but do we ever see them? No. Only one per ship, it seems. Oh, and Wesley, who always knows best.

 

[T'Girl]

Also, they knew the assimilators loved energy, so why the hell fire phasers at them..lol

See if they could overwhelm them?

 

[NebulaClassGuy]

I always thought that it would have been cool to have had Geordi review some of Chief Engineer Argyle's notes on the Enterprise's engines the way they were when they first left Utopia Planitia, since Argyle was the Chief Engineer in the first season, before Geordi took over. If anyone on the Enterprise's engineering staff would have any contact with the design team or yard engineers working on her, it'd be him.

 

[Captain Rob]

I think the whole problem with the assimilators could have been solved by replicating a couple of hundred pounds of C4 with mechanical detonators. Or replicate a good ole-fashioned cannon and open up on them.

 

[Mojochi]

The whole notion of recreating living persons the way he did, down to a few percentage points of discrepancy, should be illegal

Fogetting the whole romantic crush nonsense. Who's to say she isn't working on some new technologies that anyone could have access to knowing? When she came aboard in person, she seemed surprised that he had made an upgrade which wouldn't be included until the next class starship. He had insider info from having recreated her. That is clearly a violation, imo

 

[Timo]

The whole notion of recreating living persons the way he did, down to a few percentage points of discrepancy, should be illegal

...But if enforcing a law is incredibly futile to start with, what's the point? Writing down the law will just erode respect of law in general, then.

Holodecks as a whole clearly aren't considered objectionable, and their very purpose is to imitate life to a pleasant degree. It thus doesn't appear to be a majority sentiment that spitting images of real people are a bad thing. It may be creepy for the victims (we see Riker, Troi and later Kira react adversely) - but apparently it's another of those things where the perpetrators outnumber the victims sufficiently to democratically define the thing as right rather than wrong.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mojochi]

The whole notion of recreating living persons the way he did, down to a few percentage points of discrepancy, should be illegal

...But if enforcing a law is incredibly futile to start with, what's the point? Writing down the law will just erode respect of law in general, then.

Holodecks as a whole clearly aren't considered objectionable, and their very purpose is to imitate life to a pleasant degree. It thus doesn't appear to be a majority sentiment that spitting images of real people are a bad thing. It may be creepy for the victims (we see Riker, Troi and later Kira react adversely) - but apparently it's another of those things where the perpetrators outnumber the victims sufficiently to democratically define the thing as right rather than wrong.

Timo Saloniemi

Yeah, & I concede that it is a highly debatable point, but Geordi didn't just recreate the image of a person. He compiled data on her, her personnel file, her behavior, memoirs, lectures, etc...

He created a duplicate of her, so he could access her mind, & benefit from her way of thinking. Surely it's forgivable in his case as it's a necessity for their survival

But the practice in general would have to be condemnable, because it's kind of akin to identity theft, or theft of intellectual property. If someone of lesser scruples could do this, then they could use it to sort of steal their ideas or gain insight into how someone might create something. It could be crippling to a design engineer

Take Noonien Soong, for example. If someone compiled all the data, & personality on him to recreate him in a similar manner, then a holographic duplication of him could be created, & given a broad spectrum of parameters, like the Voyager EMH

Doing so might highly further the cybernetics research he was conducting before he died, which is probably a good idea for someone like Bruce Maddox, but if you were doing it while the person was still alive & active & in Soong's case working privately, & secretly, you'd be using the technology to try to steal trade secrets as such, because you've duplicated the mind of a person, within a few percentage points of what they are really like

 

[NebulaClassGuy]

When she came aboard in person, she seemed surprised that he had made an upgrade which wouldn't be included until the next class starship. He had insider info from having recreated her. That is clearly a violation, imo

That's a good point, but at the same time, it's kind of a non-issue... you have to remember that Geordi was looking at files that were made while the Enterprise-D was still in her skeletal state (as seen through the Utopia Planitia windows). Knowing that, not only does that make the information 3 years old at least, but who is to say that in the meantime that technology wasn't used on other new classes of ship, like the Intrepid-Class? We have no way of knowing what other ships might have been built between that time and the episode, so it's very possible that it wasn't classified information.

 

[The Castellan]

The whole notion of recreating living persons the way he did, down to a few percentage points of discrepancy, should be illegal

...But if enforcing a law is incredibly futile to start with, what's the point? Writing down the law will just erode respect of law in general, then.

Holodecks as a whole clearly aren't considered objectionable, and their very purpose is to imitate life to a pleasant degree. It thus doesn't appear to be a majority sentiment that spitting images of real people are a bad thing. It may be creepy for the victims (we see Riker, Troi and later Kira react adversely) - but apparently it's another of those things where the perpetrators outnumber the victims sufficiently to democratically define the thing as right rather than wrong.

Timo Saloniemi

Besides, Barcley would have been on some prison colony if that were the case.

Anyhow, I doubt there was a team of expert engineers...I mean we had Mcdougal, Argyle, Logan, and Singh. With all those cheif engineers, I doubt there was some expert team, unless that WAS the expert team.

Besides, some folks work better on their own when in a jam, and Geordi probably was doing just that.

 

[Start Wreck]

The whole notion of recreating living persons the way he did, down to a few percentage points of discrepancy, should be illegal

...But if enforcing a law is incredibly futile to start with, what's the point? Writing down the law will just erode respect of law in general, then.

Holodecks as a whole clearly aren't considered objectionable, and their very purpose is to imitate life to a pleasant degree. It thus doesn't appear to be a majority sentiment that spitting images of real people are a bad thing. It may be creepy for the victims (we see Riker, Troi and later Kira react adversely) - but apparently it's another of those things where the perpetrators outnumber the victims sufficiently to democratically define the thing as right rather than wrong.

Timo Saloniemi

Yeah, & I concede that it is a highly debatable point, but Geordi didn't just recreate the image of a person. He compiled data on her, her personnel file, her behavior, memoirs, lectures, etc...

He created a duplicate of her, so he could access her mind, & benefit from her way of thinking. Surely it's forgivable in his case as it's a necessity for their survival

But the practice in general would have to be condemnable, because it's kind of akin to identity theft, or theft of intellectual property. If someone of lesser scruples could do this, then they could use it to sort of steal their ideas or gain insight into how someone might create something. It could be crippling to a design engineer

Take Noonien Soong, for example. If someone compiled all the data, & personality on him to recreate him in a similar manner, then a holographic duplication of him could be created, & given a broad spectrum of parameters, like the Voyager EMH

Doing so might highly further the cybernetics research he was conducting before he died, which is probably a good idea for someone like Bruce Maddox, but if you were doing it while the person was still alive & active & in Soong's case working privately, & secretly, you'd be using the technology to try to steal trade secrets as such, because you've duplicated the mind of a person, within a few percentage points of what they are really like

If they permit to having their personality profile on record, they must waive the right to have it used for anything.

Soong wasn't in Starfleet, so he probably didn't have detailed personality files on record, so even someone wanted to recreate his mind after death, they wouldn't be able to. Also, the Brahms hologram was amazingly inaccurate, we later learn!