Watched First Contact again...
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Thank you! I don't remember Picard ordering the escape pods to land on that island at all. Gah, need script.
Movies I'd fast forward: 2001 and Solaris (any version).
As a note: I am the OP and I was being Sarcastic when I said it was Slow. The movie is great, just not as great as it was on first viewing.
Though it would of been a cool ending if in the end, the crew WAS stuck back in the timeline, and the next movie was a adventure to get back in the correct timeline.
Though it would of been a cool ending if in the end, the crew WAS stuck back in the timeline, and the next movie was a adventure to get back in the correct timeline.
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Good point, but I still think that it's a subjective thing....I usually just cling to the good feeling and go on liking stuff no matter how retarded it turns out to be after multiple viewings.
That's the part that bugs me the most about FC -- the fact that (to me) it felt like no real closure to the story. The TNG crew just disappears into the black, like it's no big deal, and everything's all hunky-dory when they get back to the 24th century. Ho hum, you know, just another walk in the park.
There's a definite feel of TPTB going, "Oh crap!! We're at the 2-hour mark -- gotta stop the movie as Trek fans can't concentrate any longer!!!"
Cheers,
-CM-
That's the part that bugs me the most about FC -- the fact that (to me) it felt like no real closure to the story. The TNG crew just disappears into the black, like it's no big deal, and everything's all hunky-dory when they get back to the 24th century. Ho hum, you know, just another walk in the park.
There's a definite feel of TPTB going, "Oh crap!! We're at the 2-hour mark -- gotta stop the movie as Trek fans can't concentrate any longer!!!"
Cheers,
-CM-
I didn't mind their quick departure so much as the somewhat unrealistic recovery of all the escape pods. The events of pursuing the Phoenix and battling the Queen seem to take long enough that the pods should have been well into the atmosphere if not already on the surface. So now they must all be recalled and reintegrated into the hull, all supposedly under cover of "the moon's gravitational field"? Apparently neither the Vulcans nor anyone on the surface detected a score of landing craft approaching Earth and then hastily turning around.
This is the kind of minor nitpick that never really bothered me in the theater, and it was a very nice visual, but pretty unbelievable in the scope of the story (which was wrapped up rather quickly
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That's the part that bugs me the most about FC -- the fact that (to me) it felt like no real closure to the story. The TNG crew just disappears into the black, like it's no big deal, and everything's all hunky-dory when they get back to the 24th century. Ho hum, you know, just another walk in the park.
There's a definite feel of TPTB going, "Oh crap!! We're at the 2-hour mark -- gotta stop the movie as Trek fans can't concentrate any longer!!!"
Cheers,
-CM-
I didn't mind their quick departure so much as the somewhat unrealistic recovery of all the escape pods. The events of pursuing the Phoenix and battling the Queen seem to take long enough that the pods should have been well into the atmosphere if not already on the surface. So now they must all be recalled and reintegrated into the hull, all supposedly under cover of "the moon's gravitational field"? Apparently neither the Vulcans nor anyone on the surface detected a score of landing craft approaching Earth and then hastily turning around.
This is the kind of minor nitpick that never really bothered me in the theater, and it was a very nice visual, but pretty unbelievable in the scope of the story (which was wrapped up rather quickly
I think there could be a fun story of the crew racing around trying to hide all the stuff, seeing the result of the first contact, rounding up the crew, getting home. (All while undetected) and then they get home, and the two time cops from Tribbles and Tribulations are waiting.
Would of been a better concept then what WAS the next movie.
I have to agree that initial impressions can change over time.
I really enjoyed FC the first time I saw it. A little less so the second time, because it's no longer "new". But then I saw it again after a couple years had passed. I still enjoyed it, but because the story was already familiar, it gave more time to notice things... those pesky plot holes and mistakes.
What really gets me is that you see all of those millions poured into making a huge production like this, and there's nobody on staff to check for mistakes, plot holes, or "plausibility strains"? It's one thing when you've got to expend resources to fill in a hole and the budget is too tight for change. But when it's something that could be cured with just a few words from a character or two, it SHOULD be done. A movie is no longer about revenue generation at the theater and then that's it. A huge portion of revenue comes from resale. Which means scrutinizing eyes have a lot more time to digest what has been created.
Worf: "How can it be, Captain? These Borg are roaming around out here in the vacuum of space, without a sealed helmet? Don't they breathe oxygen?"
Picard: "They've got micro forcefield nodes embedded throughout their bodies, which protects them. And oxygen generators that last for hours between recharges. They've thought of everything."
Why not say that, rather than leaving us looking at the seemingly impossible... exposed vulnerable skin and eyes to the vacuum of space?
Speaking of exposure, Worf is attacked by a Borg that rips a hole in his suit... and so he ties off the area above the tear with a tube from a Borg, like a tourniquet? What??? That was just plain stupid, a ridiculous attempt at macho brawn. No, he should have reached into a repair kit attached to his suit and applied an auto-seal patch of some kind, just in the nick of time before running out of air.
I know, it's a shame they don't tie up details like this... we just have to assume it's a known thing, as detailed in my hypothetical response from Picard, and move on. Otherwise, you can't enjoy the movie.
I really enjoyed FC the first time I saw it. A little less so the second time, because it's no longer "new". But then I saw it again after a couple years had passed. I still enjoyed it, but because the story was already familiar, it gave more time to notice things... those pesky plot holes and mistakes.
What really gets me is that you see all of those millions poured into making a huge production like this, and there's nobody on staff to check for mistakes, plot holes, or "plausibility strains"? It's one thing when you've got to expend resources to fill in a hole and the budget is too tight for change. But when it's something that could be cured with just a few words from a character or two, it SHOULD be done. A movie is no longer about revenue generation at the theater and then that's it. A huge portion of revenue comes from resale. Which means scrutinizing eyes have a lot more time to digest what has been created.
Worf: "How can it be, Captain? These Borg are roaming around out here in the vacuum of space, without a sealed helmet? Don't they breathe oxygen?"
Picard: "They've got micro forcefield nodes embedded throughout their bodies, which protects them. And oxygen generators that last for hours between recharges. They've thought of everything."
Why not say that, rather than leaving us looking at the seemingly impossible... exposed vulnerable skin and eyes to the vacuum of space?
Speaking of exposure, Worf is attacked by a Borg that rips a hole in his suit... and so he ties off the area above the tear with a tube from a Borg, like a tourniquet? What??? That was just plain stupid, a ridiculous attempt at macho brawn. No, he should have reached into a repair kit attached to his suit and applied an auto-seal patch of some kind, just in the nick of time before running out of air.
I know, it's a shame they don't tie up details like this... we just have to assume it's a known thing, as detailed in my hypothetical response from Picard, and move on. Otherwise, you can't enjoy the movie.
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I don't really need to be spoonfed with pointless technobabble.
I think there could be a fun story of the crew racing around trying to hide all the stuff, seeing the result of the first contact, rounding up the crew, getting home. (All while undetected) and then they get home, and the two time cops from Tribbles and Tribulations are waiting.
That would have been fantastic!
I still think it's one of the better films....right with The Voyage Home and STXI.
Maybe you are in a bad mood.
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I loved it, but than i loved them all
I liked First Contact right up until the time travel bit. These days, when I see it on TV, I generally turn the channel after they arrive in 2063. I liked Insurrection better and even Nemesis is beginning to rank up higher on my list these days.
I've been watching Trek for a long time and the part of my brain that is supposed to object to dumbass time travel storylines has shut off. It just doesn't register the dumbassness any more.
Are you calling Annorax a "dumbass"??
Pretty much my experience with all the TNG films except Nemesis which didn't warrant an initial viewing (though like all the rest I did see it in the theatre).
My biggest problem was watching this close on the tail of re-watching the TNG Borg episodes. What was done to Picard was basically character assassination. I simply don't buy his transformation into a vengeful psycho. The massive plot holes put the nails into the coffin.
I didn't mind their quick departure so much as the somewhat unrealistic recovery of all the escape pods. The events of pursuing the Phoenix and battling the Queen seem to take long enough that the pods should have been well into the atmosphere if not already on the surface. So now they must all be recalled and reintegrated into the hull, all supposedly under cover of "the moon's gravitational field"? Apparently neither the Vulcans nor anyone on the surface detected a score of landing craft approaching Earth and then hastily turning around.
This is the kind of minor nitpick that never really bothered me in the theater, and it was a very nice visual, but pretty unbelievable in the scope of the story (which was wrapped up rather quickly
I'd say it was more than a minor nitpick. Given the lame, throwaway explanation you might as well have just showed the crew on the bridge in a "crew photo" pose and run the end credits without even giving one. There's no easy fix for that but re-writing, which probably would have been a good thing.
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