Watch all Star Trek Series but not TOS. Not Sure If I should

[kirkfan]

It is really campy, like most tv shows in the 60's. Bewitched and I Dream Of Jeannie come to mind but I love camp!

When you say "most tv shows in the 60s," are you including The Defenders? The Fugitive? Naked City? Route 66? Perry Mason? Ironside? There was a lot of excellent TV drama in that decade. There were also a couple of good science fiction shows besides Star Trek -- the original Outer Limits, The Invaders.

There was a lot more to 1960s television than fantasy sitcoms!

I should have said that I was referring to a lot of the comedies.

I really liked Bewitched.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I prefer IDOJ but Bewitched has it's moments: Endora/Darren spats, Aunt Clara, Uncle Arthur, etc.

Attention TOS lovers! What would you say about the show to entice someone to watch it? I am going to try it anyways but give me some reasons why.

 

[kirkfan]

I prefer IDOJ but Bewitched has it's moments: Endora/Darren spats, Aunt Clara, Uncle Arthur, etc.

Attention TOS lovers! What would you say about the show to entice someone to watch it? I am going to try it anyways but give me some reasons why.

Some episodes like the City on the edge of forever are really great, incomparable in the ST franchise.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

I don't get the whole "camp" thing with TOS. It's not campy. It's drama. Colorful, occasionally funny, but not camp.

"Batman" was camp. It made fun of itself while playing it straight.

Sitcoms in the 60s weren't camp. They were comedies. Situation comedies. No more campy than any sitcom on the air today.

I feel the same way about the Original 1978-79 "Battlestar Galactica" suddenly labeled as "cheesy".

Its not any more "cheesy" than the 1977 "Star Wars"- which is not cheesy. I resent that label that came with the Moore remake.

TOS is not camp. Its about as entertaining as television gets~

 

[Maurice]

The space casino, the cheesecake viper pilot underwear the female pilots had to parade around in, space Shane episode with the tin cowboy hats, the gloveless spacesuits in "Fire In Space", Muffy and Boxey's stowawaying... pure cheese. Not every episode, but BSG had it.

 

[Warped9]

It is really campy, like most tv shows in the 60's.

This tells me you don't really know what camp is or in the least it doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

To me, camp means over-the-top comedy. Obviously not every show back then was campy but there were far more shows that were in comparison to current tv.

 

[kirkfan]

It is really campy, like most tv shows in the 60's.

This tells me you don't really know what camp is or in the least it doesn't mean what you think it means.

If "I, Mudd" doesn't qualify as camp then I don't know what does.

 

[Ssosmcin]

"I, Mudd" is an absurd comedy, but I don't know if it qualifies as camp. Even if it is, it isn't representative of the series as a whole. The idea that Star Trek in general is "camp" is wrong. but a comedy episode is a comedy episode. The style of comedy may change. "Tribbles" and "I, Mudd" for example, are two different types of episodes, although both are comedies.

 

[BillJ]

To me, camp means over-the-top comedy.

All one needs to do is watch "The Cage" or "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to see that Star Trek doesn't fit that description.

 

[kirkfan]

To me, camp means over-the-top comedy.

All one needs to do is watch "The Cage" or "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to see that Star Trek doesn't fit that description.

Well, for one thing, only a small proportion of episodes are intended to be comedies.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Just to be clear, I am not saying the show is campy to be insulting. I've watched some clips here and there and that's just how I view it as. Like I said, I like campy stuff. It doesn't always mean bad.

 

[BillJ]

Just to be clear, I am not saying the show is campy to be insulting. I've watched some clips here and there and that's just how I view it as. Like I said, I like campy stuff. It doesn't always mean bad.

Problem being, it doesn't fit the definition of camp, at all. Go watch the Batman series made at the same time or Lost in Space. Those are camp. Star Trek was very dramatic much of the time. Starship commanders gunning down redshirts, Chekov nearly raping a Klingon woman. Those type of elements were in far more quantity than the little bit of humor that the show featured in a few episodes.

PIKE: You stop this illusion, or I'll twist your head off. (it stops) All right, now you try one more illusion, you try anything at all, and I'll break your neck.

PIKE: On the other hand, I've got a reason. I'm willing to bet you've created an illusion this laser is empty. I think it just blasted a hole in that window and you're keep us from seeing it. You want me to test my theory out on your head?

Not really the stuff of "camp".

 

[Warped9]

Just to be clear, I am not saying the show is campy to be insulting. I've watched some clips here and there and that's just how I view it as. Like I said, I like campy stuff. It doesn't always mean bad.

This underlines my view that you don't really know what it means. Your view implies that camp was the intent of the TOS creators which it most certainly was not. Camp is to be deliberately absurd particularly when played straight. "I, Mudd" and "A Piece Of The Action" are definitely camp. I don't see "The Trouble With Tribbles" as camp, but I do think it's silly.

But to view much of the rest of the series as camp is not understanding what camp is. It reminds me of a friend who kept saying he thought TOS was often satirical. When I asked him why he thought that he explained his view because of the different messages and meanings he saw in the stories. I then informed him that what he actually meant to say was the stories could often be allegorical. Allegory and satire are not the same thing.

The acting and writing of TOS is from a different era and that can be lost on newer and/or younger viewers. And while they might not accept or appreciate how broadly or dramatic things can be played in TOS I often find a lot of modern television to be flat and unengaging or so over-the-top as to be unbearable.

 

[kirkfan]

Just to be clear, I am not saying the show is campy to be insulting. I've watched some clips here and there and that's just how I view it as. Like I said, I like campy stuff. It doesn't always mean bad.

Problem being, it doesn't fit the definition of camp, at all. Go watch the Batman series made at the same time or Lost in Space. Those are camp. Star Trek was very dramatic much of the time. Starship commanders gunning down redshirts, Chekov nearly raping a Klingon woman. Those type of elements were in far more quantity than the little bit of humor that the show featured in a few episodes.

PIKE: You stop this illusion, or I'll twist your head off. (it stops) All right, now you try one more illusion, you try anything at all, and I'll break your neck.

PIKE: On the other hand, I've got a reason. I'm willing to bet you've created an illusion this laser is empty. I think it just blasted a hole in that window and you're keep us from seeing it. You want me to test my theory out on your head?

Not really the stuff of "camp".

"Chekov nearly raping a Klingon woman"? I think I missed that one, and yet I've seen them all. Which one is it?

 

[Emperor Norton]

Just to be clear, I am not saying the show is campy to be insulting. I've watched some clips here and there and that's just how I view it as. Like I said, I like campy stuff. It doesn't always mean bad.

Problem being, it doesn't fit the definition of camp, at all. Go watch the Batman series made at the same time or Lost in Space. Those are camp. Star Trek was very dramatic much of the time. Starship commanders gunning down redshirts, Chekov nearly raping a Klingon woman. Those type of elements were in far more quantity than the little bit of humor that the show featured in a few episodes.

PIKE: You stop this illusion, or I'll twist your head off. (it stops) All right, now you try one more illusion, you try anything at all, and I'll break your neck.

PIKE: On the other hand, I've got a reason. I'm willing to bet you've created an illusion this laser is empty. I think it just blasted a hole in that window and you're keep us from seeing it. You want me to test my theory out on your head?

Not really the stuff of "camp".

"Chekov nearly raping a Klingon woman"? I think I missed that one, and yet I've seen them all. Which one is it?

"Day of the Dove". It's 60s rape, meaning he puts his hand over her mouth and kisses the back of his hand.

 

[kirkfan]

Problem being, it doesn't fit the definition of camp, at all. Go watch the Batman series made at the same time or Lost in Space. Those are camp. Star Trek was very dramatic much of the time. Starship commanders gunning down redshirts, Chekov nearly raping a Klingon woman. Those type of elements were in far more quantity than the little bit of humor that the show featured in a few episodes.



Not really the stuff of "camp".

"Chekov nearly raping a Klingon woman"? I think I missed that one, and yet I've seen them all. Which one is it?

"Day of the Dove". It's 60s rape, meaning he puts his hand over her mouth and kisses the back of his hand.

I saw that. But I call that stealing a kiss, which is bad, but a far cry from raping someone, plus in a real life situation she was perfetly positioned to knee him in the balls if she wanted to. In a post TOS situation as a klingon woman she would have bitten his face off.

 

[Warped9]

Then you're certainly missing the intent of the scene. If you need it more spelled out then watch the attempted rape of Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."

Try calling that camp.

 

[Forbin]

Oh, Chekov was clearly planning on raping her. At least as clearly as NBC Broadcast Standards would allow them to intimate in 1968.

 

[kirkfan]

Then you're certainly missing the intent of the scene. If you need it more spelled out then watch the attempted rape of Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."

Try calling that camp.

Well, you seem to be the one missing a few things, because I never said it was camp. Straw men are not an accepted form of argumentation.