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Wasteful products...

Doesn't water go through all sorts of filtration, clarification, and maybe even a boiling process before it sent back out to city mains? I would suspect there's a number of agencies watching over this sort of stuff and tiny parts per million of antidepressants in my few ounces of urine is pretty much going to be meaningless in a system consisting of 10s of 1000s of gallons of water.
 
^ I think she meant stuff that people discard, not something put there intentionally.

That's my understanding as well.

Actually certain amounts of the pill and anti-depressants are urinated out by the people who use them, as the use goes up, as does the amount in reclaimed water. Or something like that, really need an article or two to clear this up.
Urinating or throwing them away, they're still being discarded.
 
What bothers me are people that are "grossed out" by tap water, like it's pumped straight out of a swamp or something.


I was warned by a doctor not to drink [our] town's water straight from the tap, but to filter, boil and filter it again before drinking.

Several times in the last few years I've turned the tap on and something that looked like mud came out. And no, I don't live in a log cabin halfway up a mountain.
 
Exactly, anti-depressants and contraceptives are not 100% metabolized, a small part of them get urinated out and end up in the water cycle.
I suppose it’s nothing to be overly concerned about unless everyone in your town starts acting really happy, and the men grow boobs.
 
It could be something to worry about. Some anti-depressants are MAO-I's which don't interact well with most other medications and even types of food. And standard anti-depressants can have disastrous consequences if taken by people who have bi-polar disorder (who must take a different type of medication to remain stable.)

But, again, I suspect any possible anti-depressants that remain in the water supply that isn't removed by the various filtration/purification systems in a municipal water system isn't significant enough to have any impact whatsoever on your average water user.

And, of course, men ingesting estrogen are at risk for much more than simply "growing boobs", women taking estrogen are equally at risk for health problems. But, again, it's doubtful there's any meaningful levels in the water that comes out of one's tap.
 
Sounds like you need to find a shop like Batteries Plus that sells nothing but batteries, or find a place like Short Circuit here that repairs old cell phones. Batteries for a cell phone should only cost you around $35 or so to replace. Heck, if you could find a new battery, you can do it yourself.

Is this reliably done with the iphone? They offered £55 for a new phone entirely, like for like. I don't actually need a new phone, just a battery!
 
Interesting thread.

Of course, determining what is wasteful ultimately comes down to how one defines waste, which itself is predicated on what we define as valuable. That's exceptionally difficult to define, with competing philosophical definitions, which is why we as a race use money/markets by way of proxying it in day-to-day life.

Monetary valuation operates as a weighted consensus on value/wastefulness but this is only true for common objects (even gold is actually quite common; there is well over 150k tonnes of it around above ground, after all). The rarer an object, there harder it is to define as valuable, with one-offs (eg. a Leonardo original, or your son's first drawing) being the hardest to value, being of active interest only to a very small subset of the population. Thus, the problem of waste eventually also becomes a highly individual one and difficult to discuss meaningfully as a common frame of reference is difficult to establish objectively.

For instance, those bewailing electric can openers, toothbrushes, bottled water, etc are ignoring the value inherent in the (very large) businesses creating them, along with GDP and jobs. Can a product really be wasteful if it generates such things? I suppose it depends on the efficiency by which human activity is translated into overall/aggregate output value. But on that measure, something like an algorithmic fast stock trading program would rate as one of the least wasteful products man has created, and I doubt all that many people would agree with that. Again, it boils down to the value system of the beholder, quite literally.

I'm rambling, but then again, what better way to, well, waste a few minutes...? :D
 
Sounds like you need to find a shop like Batteries Plus that sells nothing but batteries, or find a place like Short Circuit here that repairs old cell phones. Batteries for a cell phone should only cost you around $35 or so to replace. Heck, if you could find a new battery, you can do it yourself.

Is this reliably done with the iphone? They offered £55 for a new phone entirely, like for like. I don't actually need a new phone, just a battery!

The people at Short Circuit had several iPhones that they were replacing damaged touchscreens on for customers. I fail to see how replacing the battery would be anywhere near as difficult. So, yes I think the battery can be reliably and inexpensively replaced.

Interesting thread.

Of course, determining what is wasteful ultimately comes down to how one defines waste, which itself is predicated on what we define as valuable. That's exceptionally difficult to define, with competing philosophical definitions, which is why we as a race use money/markets by way of proxying it in day-to-day life.

Leave it to Holdfast to remind us that things in life are not always cut and dry... :p
 
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