Was Voyager designed by Sanford and Son?

[Guy Gardener]

Harry was at the rear of Voyagers bridge?

 

[sayonara maru]

Well we've seen that starships seem to be pretty modular, and I bet under the floor there are plenty of plug sockets for consoles. So if a starship needs to be upgraded, they could easily bring in the new console and plug it in.

Or hire an extra betazoid so we have 2 people stating the obvious every time we meet someone!

You know that isnt a bad idea. I would have liked to see major changes to the ship that had to do with their being trapped in the delta quadrant and wanting to make the ship more liveable..

Hell, Chakotay went to town when he and Janeway were trapped on "New Earth" with that disease sillyness..

OMG, that Chakotay was such a pimp.. building headboards for Janie's bed because she liked to "sit up in bed".. I noticed the very well placed grip handles...I gotta use that line next time i get a girl over..

Anyone notice how Adam and Eve that episode was?

 

[F. King Daniel]

From the viewer's perspective, Voyager looks very very bland and cheap. Minimalist it may be but i dont remember data or geordi's consoles ever exploding in their faces..(God .. can you imagine the trauma poor wesley might have suffered if it happend to him?)

Wesley's console exploded in "Disaster" - he wasn't in it at the time. Some hapless nobody died.

For better or worse, exploding control panels were established in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. It wasn't until Voyager that it became practical to do repeatedly on a TV budget.

Quite a bit (if not most) of the look of the Voyager was determined by the show's producers. During its design, the ship went from being something of a rugged "super runabout" to a mini Galaxy-class ship.

If i am not mistaken, The defiant class was the one built to be a mini Galaxy class ship. And the defiant was in a word... "dope"

Voyager was the mini Galaxy class, with all the creature comforts (holodecks, replicators etc). Defiant was a stripped-down warship, the complete opposite of the Galaxy-class.

 

[sayonara maru]

It's because our Captain is so humble, she doesn't need an iconic chair.

Pft, if you notice, Janeway will take -every- opportunity to stand at a higher elevation than the person she's talking with.

Amen to that. And she always had this Don King like swagger whenever she gave an order... Or maybe its just the hairdo..

 

[sayonara maru]

Lets say it took 2 or 3 years to take the Intrepid Class from blue print to first launch... And they seating, placing the Captain and the First officer on an even standing is because of Robert Maxwell's coup.

but here's the problem.

In theory this means that a rational First officer will feel the gravitas to stand up his or her Captain because they are not on a fricking pedestal, yet in practice that just means that a psycho like Max Burke can talk a relatively decent bloke into becoming a mass murderer because his first officers seat doesn't look like it belongs to a 7 year old.

Hells.

On Kirk's Enterprise the XO didn't even get his or her own chair, the job just fell to next highest ranked officer who actually already had a full time job to get sorted as well, and how was the Chief Engineer supposed to do his job in engineering if his "hobby" forced him into a bridge posting that's only job is to hold the Captains hand and say "Shields Up!"

I dont think the XO position was really that defined during Kirks era. From what I remember, Kirk often did a lot of the crew disciplining himself.. regulations didnt mean a whole lot back then and he was more in touch with the crew...

[waits for the obvious, yeoman blake/rand remark]

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It's because our Captain is so humble, she doesn't need an iconic chair.

Pft, if you notice, Janeway will take -every- opportunity to stand at a higher elevation than the person she's talking with.

Amen to that. And she always had this Don King like swagger whenever she gave an order... Or maybe its just the hairdo..

I can feel it coming in the air tonight.. oh lord.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It means that Paris, or whichever of his minions is at the helm, was doing the job of two people.

Mentioned this already but no, tom was just doing the same job that wesley/geordi and ensign ro performed. The second position that data held was the operations console. I also believe this was the position that ensign Chekov held on the Enterprise A

When the page folds, the page folds. Blind spots.

From Angel One.

RIKER: Don't we have a call to pay on the Romulans, Captain?
PICARD: Indeed we do. Mister Data, set course for the Neutral Zone. Warp six.
DATA: Co-ordinates set. Warp six on your mark, sir.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Operations_officer

23rd century Operations Officer = Navigator.

24th century Operations Officer on Enterprise = Navigator.

24th century Operations Officer on Voyager = Sissy.

 

[sayonara maru]

You really think TNG sets look better than Voyager's? You must love 80's hotels. TNG looks dated and pretty bad, especially the bridge. The Voyager sets could still pass for a show made today.

Although yes, the moving warp nacelles were pointless and goofy (and I believe added so the toys would have a cool moving feature) and externally, Voyager was no looker. This early prototype looked far better, IMO:

Gotta disagree, the TNG bridge looked both elegant and modern. it only looks dated because lets be honest, the show is 25 years old... and they used models instead of CGI. Season 4-7 of TNG looks about as modern as DS9 and voyager i'll wager..

Your point about the moving nacelles is devious! I never thought of that. Some snotty kid will pickup the dammned thing in the toy store.. start playing with it.....and BREAK it.. OOPS! Gotta buy it now!

....except, little scotty doesnt want it anymore! "Its broken!!!! i want a new one!" BOOM! Hasbro just made $60 bucks in 10 minutes!

Gotta love capitalism!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

If it was my kid I'd just give him a bottle of glue.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lets say it took 2 or 3 years to take the Intrepid Class from blue print to first launch... And they seating, placing the Captain and the First officer on an even standing is because of Robert Maxwell's coup.

but here's the problem.

In theory this means that a rational First officer will feel the gravitas to stand up his or her Captain because they are not on a fricking pedestal, yet in practice that just means that a psycho like Max Burke can talk a relatively decent bloke into becoming a mass murderer because his first officers seat doesn't look like it belongs to a 7 year old.

Hells.

On Kirk's Enterprise the XO didn't even get his or her own chair, the job just fell to next highest ranked officer who actually already had a full time job to get sorted as well, and how was the Chief Engineer supposed to do his job in engineering if his "hobby" forced him into a bridge posting that's only job is to hold the Captains hand and say "Shields Up!"

I dont think the XO position was really that defined during Kirks era. From what I remember, Kirk often did a lot of the crew disciplining himself.. regulations didnt mean a whole lot back then and he was more in touch with the crew...

[waits for the obvious, yeoman blake/rand remark]

Have you read New Frontier?

The Captains Exwife is the First officer who handles the day shift as the First officer, and the captains Mistress if the Executive Officer who manages the night shift... And the captain just wanders between the two women, spending more time awake with whosoever is less annoying.

Of course does this mean that the mistress is actually the Second officer, or that the first officer job has been split down the middle equitably?

On Voyager everything is different.

12 hours a day 80 percent of the crew is a sleep and Harry is in Charge.

If you think about it, changing/varying their speed between warp 4 and warp 8, it wouldn't be that hard to take a little longer or less to get somewhere off par from optimal just so that the day shift is always the first responders to a planet or something fricking obviously dangerous.

It's just the surprise dangerous that Captain Kim has to deal with.

 

[Melakon]

I didn't like the switch to a single pilot position, but i know it was just to save money from hiring somebody with no lines to play navigator.

But that was already done on TNG, it has nothing to do with Voyager specifically.

Tom is the navigator. If you recall, data was the ships operations officer (that was what his station was devoted to. A position which worf held briefly)

They just moved the operations position to the rear of the bridge.

Actually I meant having two stations directly in front of the captain, as in TOS and TNG. The single station design first showed on DS9's Defiant, carried on to Voyager, and puzzingly showed up again on NX-01 which predated Kirk's ship.

The day I made the quoted post, I think I had been awake 20 hours, had 3 hours sleep, and had been awake another 5 hours, so I just wasn't clear-headed enough to say what I intended. I conked out again shortly after. Maybe it was the day before. With no daily routine, they all run together.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Quite a bit (if not most) of the look of the Voyager was determined by the show's producers. During its design, the ship went from being something of a rugged "super runabout" to a mini Galaxy-class ship.

If i am not mistaken, The defiant class was the one built to be a mini Galaxy class ship. And the defiant was in a word... "dope"

The Defiant was built to be a no-frills ship designed mainly for battle, whereas the Voyager could do everything a Galaxy-class ship could do, but in a smaller package.

 

[Melakon]

And the defiant was in a word... "dope"

What does that mean? Does it mean you liked it or hated it? I don't understand some of the more recent colloquialisms. It took me weeks to figure out calling something "the shit" was complimentary.

Generation gap, I know.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I can totally see "dope" in this context being form a Chech and Chong movie in the 70s.

 

[bullethead]

Although yes, the moving warp nacelles were pointless and goofy (and I believe added so the toys would have a cool moving feature) and externally, Voyager was no looker. This early prototype looked far better, IMO:

Slap the final Voyager saucer on there and that would be a great looking ship. As it is now? It's just an "eh..." design at best. The rear of the saucer kills it.

 

[Avon]

what is 'sanford and son'? i assume it's meant to be an insult.

whatever reservations i have about voyager, the quality of the sets is not one of them. the voyager interiors havent dated like tng. they're the sleekest designed rooms and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. i mean you can argue about the exact layout of the bridge if you want, but it still looks high quality on the tv.

i have a degree in spatial/interior/product design. so i am literally qualified in this subject

 

[Melakon]

what is 'sanford and son'? i assume it's meant to be an insult.

Sanford and Son was the Americanized version of the British "Steptoe and Son", starring two black actors.

 

[Avon]

wow. black steptoe? crazy

did one of them still say 'you dirty old man'?

 

[Melakon]

Probably. I think in the early seasons they adapted Steptoe storylines. It was the same premise, cranky old man and the son trying to better himself.

I can totally see "dope" in this context being form a Chech and Chong movie in the 70s.

Maybe that's it. I was not a big fan. I didn't own any of their albums but saw a few of their films. And I didn't smoke a joint until I was 27.

 

[C.E. Evans]

You really think TNG sets look better than Voyager's? You must love 80's hotels. TNG looks dated and pretty bad, especially the bridge. The Voyager sets could still pass for a show made today.

Although yes, the moving warp nacelles were pointless and goofy (and I believe added so the toys would have a cool moving feature) and externally, Voyager was no looker. This early prototype looked far better, IMO:

Gotta disagree, the TNG bridge looked both elegant and modern. it only looks dated because lets be honest, the show is 25 years old... and they used models instead of CGI. Season 4-7 of TNG looks about as modern as DS9 and voyager i'll wager..

Your point about the moving nacelles is devious! I never thought of that. Some snotty kid will pickup the dammned thing in the toy store.. start playing with it.....and BREAK it.. OOPS! Gotta buy it now!

....except, little scotty doesnt want it anymore! "Its broken!!!! i want a new one!" BOOM! Hasbro just made $60 bucks in 10 minutes!

Gotta love capitalism!

The moving nacelles wasn't added to sell toys, it was added simply because they thought it would be "kewl."

Personally, though, I wished they had went with the above design, which seems closer in line with an auxiliary vessel.