In a way, I find Course: Oblivion uplifting.
Was "Voyager" as dark as "DS9"?
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In a way, I find Course: Oblivion uplifting.
Nope. TNG-Lite.
Had they really gone for the premise then it could've been (just look at the likes of NuBSG or SGU), but they weren't willing to take that risk.
Had they really gone for the premise then it could've been (just look at the likes of NuBSG or SGU), but they weren't willing to take that risk.
That garbage got axed precisely because it was far from the (lighthearted) tone of Stargate SG-1.
In what way?
So could Q actually have been responsible for the time line changing during Q Who where the time line beyond Q Who is actually wrong?
I find it far more real and grounded, as well as far less formulaic making it stand out compared to SG-1 and Atlantis and my favourite installment of the Stargate franchise.
As I have pointed out elsewhere, brightness is often dimmed or fully darkened, but rarely do you see the opposite. I wouldn't have opposed the series so strenuously had it been marketed under a different name and/or ditched the titular Stargates.
Some people's definitions of realism and grounding baffles me.
Instead of relinquishing will to unimaginable despair, the duplicate crew continues to soldier forward in an unwavering attempt to make their existence known. How you - personally - feel about any potential greater meaning to our actions and the possibility of an afterlife is subjective, but I imagine most people wouldn't handle the knowledge that they were a copy (more uncharitably, a "fraud") with anywhere near the same level of dignity.
Discount the sci-fi setting and focus on how a disparate group of people, thrown together by circumstance, in a situation they aren't prepared for, don't have the resources for, facing stress and pressure on a daily basis with no let up in sight. normal people with no superhuman abilities pushed to their limits and see what happens. There is jostling for seniority, breakdowns in communication, cliques forming and standing off against one another, and just how the veil of civilisation we present falls away when our very survival is at stake and what we'll do to get by--Quark's speech on AR-558 sums up kinda what I'm getting at.
By "realism" and "grounded" I'm looking at the characters, how they react and cope, the human story. Granted for VOY it would be different, they're not from present day but Roddenberry's more evolved humans of the 24th century, though those are the same humans Quark was speaking about so the claims of evolution are clearly exaggerated, so some should have broken through stress and burnout, some should have shown how their decent into depression and the struggle of getting better, these elements were touched on in the odd episode, but the format of the show left no linger impacts for the characters, they were returned to default settings for the next episode. VOY could've done so much to really show how the hope and optimism of the Trek future burns brightest when in the darkest of circumstances. At least, that's how it always feels to me.
...and/or Quark is biased/unreliable...
I agree. Optimism doesn't mean all is well just because it ends well. It means hope in the darkest of times.
I would put Discovery at the bottom of the list. Typical 21th century doom-and-gloom series.
I would put DS9 over Enterprise. I never found DS9 that dark even if there were some dark episodes here and there, especially during the Dominion War. But they always had some lighter stories mixed up among them to keep it from being too "dark"
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First of all, the Borg are not really a species. They are, effectively, a cybernetic aberration bent on galactic genocide of all beings, but via assimilation rather than extermination.
While destroying them seems extreme, it should be noted that their overall plan is the destruction of all beings that aren't themselves. Ergo, it could certainly be considered self-defense.
Hell, even Lexx demonstrated these things better than Voyager.
There's an argument that Deep Space Nine isn't quite as dark as it is thought of or may seem to be, that it's more cynical than really brooding (and/or only dark compared to utopian goals/attitudes of TNG) but I think Voyager is still a lot lighter, much less often disturbing at all, tending to focus on the positive of agreements and rarely admitting that with decisions and actions there are even costs or downsides.
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