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Was Voga a Gallifrean Colony?

Guy Gardener

Guy Gardener

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You'll see that the setdesign/props lads from Revenge of the Cybermen reused the Vogan seal which was stamped all about the place on the walls and outfits was seen again frequently on Gallifrey when the Doctor finally went back in the deadly assassin, and still right up to the most current rendition of the stodgy old buggers, but I'm curious what sort of odd reasoning for in front of the camera we could come up with for these obviously not Gallifreians to be surrounded by Gallifrean decor and dress sense?

They forgot they were Timelords?

They pretended they were not Tmielords?

A fallen/lost colony, which the Vogans appropriated style and tech from similar to Adric';s lot or the people from lost took on the Darma Initiative's digs?

Agents of the timelords/unwitting pawns? The planet might even have been created and sent back through time by the Timelords to stop the Cybermen from winning the last Great Cyber War. Human ingenuity my ass.

Stuff.

Also wiith the head cannons that the Cybermen had, I was wondering if these Cybermen in question were Cyberconverted Silurians? I mean there are supposedly vaults and vaults or these beasties sleeping across the planet a couple feet down and we're not completely sure if the Silurians were a space faring race or not are we that they didn't go to sleep on other planets too... The Cybermen could have stolen their entire Tomb technology from the Silurians if you really don't believe in coincidence.

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No need to rationalize it. It was just one of those things.

If you really need a rationalization - it was a random co-incidence. Nothing more. The Vogans were not timelords.
 
No, the symbol was used first in Revenge Of The Cybermen before it was retconned as the symbol for Gallifey.
 
Captain Pike said:
No need to rationalize it. It was just one of those things.

If you really need a rationalization - it was a random co-incidence. Nothing more. The Vogans were not timelords.
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I suppose if parallel evolution can see the uniform development of humaniod figures cropping up on planets all across the universe, then parallel stylishness can be just as plausible in... You're being no fun at all. Remember gansterworld from Star Trek TOS? Less advanced races can't help but be inspired by their so called betters.

DWF said:
No, the symbol was used first in Revenge Of The Cybermen before it was retconned as the symbol for Gallifey.
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I'm perfectly aware of the viewing order, however I have not seen Revenge of the Cybermen for 2 decades since it last aired on NZ television.... Okay it aired about 6 years ago too but it I had a "life" at the time I thought was more important than 70s science fiction I still believed I had a firm grasp of.

The nature of retroactive continuity is that even though the Deadly assassin hasn't happened yet in linear continuity, that after it did happen, we must believe that the Doctor was perfectly aware months earlier that all the Vogans were wearing Gallifrean seals and that he chose to not mention it all.... But why?

It could even have something to do what moved the earth after everyone thought that the earth had been destroyed... it would have been a nice nod in the End of the World if we heard a slight screeching sound of spacetime being rendered as the earth was being moved by the now long dead timelords...

So, Nine was lying to Rose when claiming that that was it for our mostly harmless blue marble?
 
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Guy Gardener said:
So, Nine was lying to Rose when claiming that that was it for our mostly harmless blue marble?
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Earth was turned into Ravalox by the Time Lords long before the time of End of the World though. So even if the Time War didn't erase those events, you could take the Doc's line about it being renovated by the Galactic Trust to mean they moved it back and restored the original look after the Time Lords had done with it.
 
The similarity of the Silurian third eye and the Cyberman head weapon is one of the foundations of the Cyberman comic strip which ran in DWM during the 1990s, and revealed how the Mondasian apes were cybernetically enhanced by that world's Silurians...

Are the Vogans connected to the Time Lords? Only if the Drahvins bought their weapons off the Thals, and there's standardised equipment designs on Xeros and the Wheel in Space - and, come to that, on UFO's Moonbase and the Global Chemicals complex in The Green Death! :-) In which case, the people of Vendikar are definitely Klingons (same sashes, same guns, same lack of head-ridges ;-)).
Still (retcon hat on!), maybe the Time Lords bought gold off the Vogans to use against the Cybermen, and the Vogans displayed the Prydonian Seal like a royal warrant ("Even the most powerful race in the universe has to buy from us!").
Or the Time Lords interfered with Vogan history to ensure they became the gold miners needed for the future Cyber-war, and the Prydonian symbol slipped into their race memory and became their own?
 
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diankra said:
The similarity of the Silurian third eye and the Cyberman head weapon is one of the foundations of the Cyberman comic strip which ran in DWM during the 1990s, and revealed how the Mondasian apes were cybernetically enhanced by that world's Silurians...

Are the Vogans connected to the Time Lords? Only if the Drahvins bought their weapons off the Thals, and there's standardised equipment designs on Xeros and the Wheel in Space - and, come to that, on UFO's Moonbase and the Global Chemicals complex in The Green Death! :-) In which case, the people of Vendikar are definitely Klingons (same sashes, same guns, same lack of head-ridges ;-)).
Still (retcon hat on!), maybe the Time Lords bought gold off the Vogans to use against the Time Lords, and the Vogans displayed the Prydonian Seal like a royal warrant ("Even the most powerful race in the universe has to buy from us!").
Or the Time Lords interfered with Vogan history to ensure they became the gold miners needed for the future Cyber-war, and the Prydonian symbol slipped into their race memory and became their own?
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What if the Celestial Intervention Agency used to have a remote base there, and abandoned it after the First Great Time War? So they didn't clean up their posters and frames behind them, so what? All they lost was their deposit... ;)
 
Simple answer is Time Lord merchandising. I've got a Prydonian Seal on my coffee mug right in front of me - the Vogons got theirs at a brick-a-brack sale on Thelonis VI from a bloke named Drax who was there to make a quick pandak or two.
 
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