was there ever any explanation on why Quantum Torps were missing...
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Re: was there ever any explanation on why Quantum Torps were missing..
No canonical explanation.
Real world explanation is poor writing. Nemesis was written by the same people who forgot Data already had a "brother," Lore, yet people were shocked to find he had a duplicate. Or their reaction to when it was revealed that Picard had a double, like they never encountered that, or clones of other Enterprise personnel before.
No canonical explanation.
Real world explanation is poor writing. Nemesis was written by the same people who forgot Data already had a "brother," Lore, yet people were shocked to find he had a duplicate. Or their reaction to when it was revealed that Picard had a double, like they never encountered that, or clones of other Enterprise personnel before.
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Actually, they knew about Data's brother. They just decided we were 1) too stupid to remember it and/or 2) are slavering Star Trek fanboys who would wank off on whatever they did no matter what they did.
Actually, they knew about Data's brother. They just decided we were 1) too stupid to remember it and/or 2) are slavering Star Trek fanboys who would wank off on whatever they did no matter what they did.
Re: was there ever any explanation on why Quantum Torps were missing..
...You mean these quantum torpedoes?
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...You mean these quantum torpedoes?
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Re: was there ever any explanation on why Quantum Torps were missing..
And no references to "We have forgotten all about quantum torpedoes". Likewise, there were no references to "We have forgotten all about the stun setting of phasers", nor "Note that we have a stun setting in our phasers"... The story simply didn't call for such inane dialogue.
As shown above, the ship did fire both kinds of torps in the movie.
Timo Saloniemi
And no references to "We have forgotten all about quantum torpedoes". Likewise, there were no references to "We have forgotten all about the stun setting of phasers", nor "Note that we have a stun setting in our phasers"... The story simply didn't call for such inane dialogue.
As shown above, the ship did fire both kinds of torps in the movie.
Timo Saloniemi
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what? no, the ship fired only the bluish white torps. Yes, we have come to associate that color torpedo with Quantum torpedoes, but the fact remains that the lines in the movie were "fire the photon torpedoes."
Seems like bad writing is the best possible explanation.
what? no, the ship fired only the bluish white torps. Yes, we have come to associate that color torpedo with Quantum torpedoes, but the fact remains that the lines in the movie were "fire the photon torpedoes."
Seems like bad writing is the best possible explanation.
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Nope, both blue-white and the usual reddish:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/nemesis/ch16/nemesis431.jpg
No error there. It's just that nobody bothered to mention the q-torps specifically, or the stun setting, or the hyposprays, or any of the other Trek trademark things that everybody knows to be there anyway. And can see with their own eyes at that.
Timo Saloniemi
Nope, both blue-white and the usual reddish:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/nemesis/ch16/nemesis431.jpg
No error there. It's just that nobody bothered to mention the q-torps specifically, or the stun setting, or the hyposprays, or any of the other Trek trademark things that everybody knows to be there anyway. And can see with their own eyes at that.
Timo Saloniemi
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"Quantum torpedoes" is just a way of saying "exactly the same as Photon torpedoes, but more badass", right? There is absolutely no narrative difference between the two? They're just space missiles? Does it matter how they called them? Didn't that movie have other, more important flaws?
"Quantum torpedoes" is just a way of saying "exactly the same as Photon torpedoes, but more badass", right? There is absolutely no narrative difference between the two? They're just space missiles? Does it matter how they called them? Didn't that movie have other, more important flaws?
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In addition, the bluish-white quantum torpedoes are what damaged the Scimitar's cloak, when the regular photons just were only just chipping away at the vessel. We also see the blue quantum torpedoes used by the forward of the ship, and when it passes by the Scimitar, it uses yellow torpedoes from the aft, which makes the comparison that much easier. The quantums are noticeably larger than the fireball-like photons, too. If the battle showed both yellow and blue torpedoes, you're going to expect that to indicate different weapons, especially if much of the battle comprised of volley after volley of yellow torpedoes. Otherwise, why would anyone go to the trouble of making them blue and larger in the first place?
Edit: The OP might be confusing Nemesis for Insurrection, where the E-E was also getting her butt kicked but we didn't see quantum torpedoes on screen. Again, that's not to say they weren't used off screen because the movie didn't show large chunks of the running battle, but there were no visuals of quantum torpedoes there.
In addition, the bluish-white quantum torpedoes are what damaged the Scimitar's cloak, when the regular photons just were only just chipping away at the vessel. We also see the blue quantum torpedoes used by the forward of the ship, and when it passes by the Scimitar, it uses yellow torpedoes from the aft, which makes the comparison that much easier. The quantums are noticeably larger than the fireball-like photons, too. If the battle showed both yellow and blue torpedoes, you're going to expect that to indicate different weapons, especially if much of the battle comprised of volley after volley of yellow torpedoes. Otherwise, why would anyone go to the trouble of making them blue and larger in the first place?
Edit: The OP might be confusing Nemesis for Insurrection, where the E-E was also getting her butt kicked but we didn't see quantum torpedoes on screen. Again, that's not to say they weren't used off screen because the movie didn't show large chunks of the running battle, but there were no visuals of quantum torpedoes there.
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Re: was there ever any explanation on why Quantum Torps were missing..
Also, we don't really know how q-torps and p-torps differ. Perhaps there are design limitations in both that dictate where and how they are used?
We've never seen a q-torp fired at warp, for example - perhaps that's impossible? OTOH, perhaps it's too dangerous to fire q-torps in the exotic conditions of the Briar Patch, the conditions that are explicitly stated to hamper use of some classic Starfleet technologies. Or then it may simply be that q-torps are only rarely carried by any starship, even those that have a special turret for firing them, because the weapons are either expensive/difficult to manufacture, or then dangerous to store unless absolutely necessary.
Timo Saloniemi
Also, we don't really know how q-torps and p-torps differ. Perhaps there are design limitations in both that dictate where and how they are used?
We've never seen a q-torp fired at warp, for example - perhaps that's impossible? OTOH, perhaps it's too dangerous to fire q-torps in the exotic conditions of the Briar Patch, the conditions that are explicitly stated to hamper use of some classic Starfleet technologies. Or then it may simply be that q-torps are only rarely carried by any starship, even those that have a special turret for firing them, because the weapons are either expensive/difficult to manufacture, or then dangerous to store unless absolutely necessary.
Timo Saloniemi
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While Nemesis had many issues, including the writing, I'm always amused by nit-picking such a tiny things that mean nothing. Other ones for Nemesis include OMG the color of the Romulan Ale is wrong in the wedding scene!!! or OMG why is Wesley there?!?! (because as well all know, NOTHING can happen off screen) or OMG all the CGI looks like Star Wars!!!!!
While Nemesis had many issues, including the writing, I'm always amused by nit-picking such a tiny things that mean nothing. Other ones for Nemesis include OMG the color of the Romulan Ale is wrong in the wedding scene!!! or OMG why is Wesley there?!?! (because as well all know, NOTHING can happen off screen) or OMG all the CGI looks like Star Wars!!!!!
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Terran ales come in a multitude of colours. Oh noes!
Terran ales come in a multitude of colours. Oh noes!
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Yes, but Wesely being there IS odd. Well, not in of itself, since him being a guest there makes sense, but I'm slightly confounded as to him being in uniform.
Not as odd as Worf being back in Starfleet for no reason, though.
Yes, but Wesely being there IS odd. Well, not in of itself, since him being a guest there makes sense, but I'm slightly confounded as to him being in uniform.
Not as odd as Worf being back in Starfleet for no reason, though.
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Yeah in the script for First Contact it's pretty clear that Quantum Torpedoes are meant to be the more "Bad Ass" upgrade on Photon Torpedoes. More powerful ordnance, etc.
Yeah in the script for First Contact it's pretty clear that Quantum Torpedoes are meant to be the more "Bad Ass" upgrade on Photon Torpedoes. More powerful ordnance, etc.
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It's odd to be at the wedding of two of your best friends?
It's odd to be at the wedding of two of your best friends?
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Ahem.
Ahem.
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Would you prefer Wes there nekkid? LOL
Would you prefer Wes there nekkid? LOL
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I assume he in effect resigned from Starfleet when he committed several court martiable offenses and went off gallavanting across space-time.
I assume he in effect resigned from Starfleet when he committed several court martiable offenses and went off gallavanting across space-time.
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You mean when he joined Space NAMBLA?
You mean when he joined Space NAMBLA?
