I don't remember; was there ever a DS10? If so, where was it? If not, where should it be? My vote is for near Breen territory.
Was there ever a DS10?
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There was a DS8 IIRC. So it figures there'd be or would be a 10.
I've always felt that Deep Space 12 is or will be constructed at the edge of the Necro Cloud Nebula (which of course the Federation in the Kelvin Timeline got more then a century and a half earlier and built Starbase Yorktown instead). Means that Krall would likely hit the Federation post-2387.
There was a DS10, in the novelverse at least: http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Deep_Space_10
That we never hear of anything higher than DS9, in a Federation/Starfleet that's two centuries old and has 700+ starbases, might in itself suggest that there's a mechanism keeping the numbers low. We can tell DS9 was not in "deep space" for being far away from Earth and stuff, because clearly it wasn't. But it was outside UFP territory, which may be the working definition. Yet Bajor was going to be a Federation member - at which point they'd have to rename DS9.
Perhaps that's the mechanism? Starfleet/the UFP founds these Deep Space Stations where it one day wishes to have territory, but until then it only exerts a bit of control through the presence. UFP efforts to expand are rarely thwarted, though, so it's not long until the assimilation of <X> liberates the name DS>number> for another outpost. And thus there's never a pressing need for DS47.
Timo Saloniemi
Perhaps that's the mechanism? Starfleet/the UFP founds these Deep Space Stations where it one day wishes to have territory, but until then it only exerts a bit of control through the presence. UFP efforts to expand are rarely thwarted, though, so it's not long until the assimilation of <X> liberates the name DS>number> for another outpost. And thus there's never a pressing need for DS47.
Timo Saloniemi
It may be just a case that the vast majority of starbases are established within Federation territory and only a very small handful weren't. DS3, DS4, DS5, and DS7 were also referred to between TNG and VOY, so they probably keep their designations regardless if their sector eventually becomes Federation territory. At that point, they're likely akin to historical landmarks.
There may not actually be a DS10 yet for all we know.
There may not actually be a DS10 yet for all we know.
Well,
- Yes, it's outside UFP space: in fact they claim it's surrounded by neutral space at first, although it later turns out the very heart of Cardassia is a next-door neighbor.
- No, it isn't very distant: even the slowish Defiant gets there in less than a week from Earth.
- No, its design or foreign origin isn't indicative of anything much: we see DS4 in an image in "Parallels" and it's one of those Federation-built things that served as a subspace relay in "Aquiel".
- Yes, its oddball joint adminstration may be unique, but we don't know for sure.
Just about anything can be claimed as long as it fits around these things...
Timo Saloniemi
- Yes, it's outside UFP space: in fact they claim it's surrounded by neutral space at first, although it later turns out the very heart of Cardassia is a next-door neighbor.
- No, it isn't very distant: even the slowish Defiant gets there in less than a week from Earth.
- No, its design or foreign origin isn't indicative of anything much: we see DS4 in an image in "Parallels" and it's one of those Federation-built things that served as a subspace relay in "Aquiel".
- Yes, its oddball joint adminstration may be unique, but we don't know for sure.
Just about anything can be claimed as long as it fits around these things...
Timo Saloniemi
She's the only ship we actually know of having trouble with high speeds. From the get-go, she's called "overpowered", which isn't a compliment - her power source tends to blow up the ship rather than make her go. And "The Sound of Her Voice" shows her struggling to achieve speeds past warp 9 without extensive jury-rigging, which is pretty poor going for the era.
Still, she got Sisko from Earth to DS9 within 13 days in "The Search" (the "last Thursday" thing), and Worf and pals from DS9 to Earth in what was probably just a couple of days in "Paradise Lost".
Heck, Runabouts supposedly can't get past warp 5 (the Klaestron escape plan in "Dax" seemed to hinge on that), but Bashir claims that getting one would allow him to obtain supplied from Vulcan within the week in "Defiant", supposedly meaning a back-and-forth trip. So yes, Bajor is pretty close to the central UFP worlds.
Timo Saloniemi
Still, she got Sisko from Earth to DS9 within 13 days in "The Search" (the "last Thursday" thing), and Worf and pals from DS9 to Earth in what was probably just a couple of days in "Paradise Lost".
Heck, Runabouts supposedly can't get past warp 5 (the Klaestron escape plan in "Dax" seemed to hinge on that), but Bashir claims that getting one would allow him to obtain supplied from Vulcan within the week in "Defiant", supposedly meaning a back-and-forth trip. So yes, Bajor is pretty close to the central UFP worlds.
Timo Saloniemi
Well, there's Deep Space K-7 from TOS. Maybe that's, like, Deep Space 1007 or something.
Or it could just be Deep Space Three.
So nothing "probable" about them keeping their designations across the years (as TNG->VOY really doesn't cover particularly many of those).
Heck, it isn't even as if any DS station would be mentioned twice. That is, while DS4 gets two mentions, one of those is in the past tense, basically referring back to the time of the first reference.
OTOH, I'm betting on there being an R series, too. Located elsewhere.
Timo Saloniemi
Heck, it isn't even as if any DS station would be mentioned twice. That is, while DS4 gets two mentions, one of those is in the past tense, basically referring back to the time of the first reference.
OTOH, I'm betting on there being an R series, too. Located elsewhere.
Timo Saloniemi
But it wasn't even theirs.
They took it from the Cardassians!
So having a DS8 or DS10 is weird anyway,
A DS 10 would have to have been built after they took over DS9.
They took it from the Cardassians!
So having a DS8 or DS10 is weird anyway,
A DS 10 would have to have been built after they took over DS9.
Actually, it is very probable that they keep their designations across the years.
