Was the Star Trek 4 Ent-A bridge a redress of the Excelsior bridge?

[Maurice]

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D'oh! I read that making of TFF book, I should have known that the officer's lounge was a new set.

The Paradise City bar, however, is a redress of Ten Forward.

Do you have a source for this? I'm on Memory Alpha and they don't mention anything about this.

I'm a little dubious of this myself. The bar proper is clearly from Ten Forward, but the set layout is really different, and it looks like it opens out into the courtyard, but I could be mistaken.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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I liked the Enterprise-A bridge from the end of The Voyage Home.

I think my favorite variant of it was the one from ST VI. It just looked more realistic.

Out-of-universe - i.e. for filming purposes - I'm sure it was always the same set, but IN universe, I am guessing that all three were separate replaceable modules. They just look too different. If Starfleet's going to go through that much work to alter a bridge, surely it'd be easier just to start over?

 

[F. King Daniel]

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^But between V and VI they move the turbolifts too, which necessitates moving the shafts for at least one deck below. Quite a bit more work than plugging in a new module on top.

EDIT: That said, I think we're supposed to believe the bridge in IV, V and VI "really" looks the same, just as Kirsty Alley and Robin Curtis are both recognizable as Saavik.

 

[Christopher]

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I'm a little dubious of this myself. The bar proper is clearly from Ten Forward, but the set layout is really different, and it look like it opens out into the courtyard, but I could be mistaken.

The Ten Forward set on Paramount's Stage 8 was a large set that had nothing adjacent to it except a stretch of corridor (which had the senior officers' quarters set on the other side), and I assume the walls were wild (removable) for camera access. So it wouldn't have been hard to take out a wall or two and build a bit of courtyard.

http://ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Stage-8-floorplan.png

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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^But between V and VI they move the turbolifts too, which necessitates moving the shafts for at least one deck below. Quite a bit more work than plugging in a new module on top.

Maybe the turbolifts move from side to side after they leave the bridge, before they start going downward.

 

[starburst]

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The Paradise City bar, however, is a redress of Ten Forward.

Oh! Well, there you go. I never suspected that. Which supports my point that TFF did a good job of hiding its reuse of TNG sets, while TUC did a terrible job of doing so.

I never knew that either, to be honest though for me the set that screams TNG in TFF is the corridors but the only two that spring to mind during TUC are 10 Forward as the Presidents office and then Engineering which never bothered me until I noticed the TNG console amongst the movie era graphics.

^But between V and VI they move the turbolifts too, which necessitates moving the shafts for at least one deck below. Quite a bit more work than plugging in a new module on top.

EDIT: That said, I think we're supposed to believe the bridge in IV, V and VI "really" looks the same, just as Kirsty Alley and Robin Curtis are both recognizable as Saavik.

I would say IV and V are 'meant' to be the same bridge in the same way the bridge of the BoP in III and IV are 'meant' to be the same.

The one in VI I always took to be a remodel between VI and V is just something to ignore.

Personally I prefer the V layout but love the mix of touch screens and switches in VI. I hated the clocks though, too 20th century seeming they could have easily (in universe) added to the screens themselves.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

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D'oh! I read that making of TFF book, I should have known that the officer's lounge was a new set.

The Paradise City bar, however, is a redress of Ten Forward.

Do you have a source for this? I'm on Memory Alpha and they don't mention anything about this.

I'm a little dubious of this myself. The bar proper is clearly from Ten Forward, but the set layout is really different, and it look like it opens out into the courtyard, but I could be mistaken.

Or I'm mistaken and misremembering the passage about the bar set in Shatner's making of book.

 

[austen_pierce]

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Also, the Memory Alpha article says that only the section of the set seen in the film was given the white paint job and Okudagram control panels, but as you can see from this photo of Gene and Majel at the Science station, that is clearly not the case:

Maybe the set wasn't fully overhauled until after Star Trek IV wrapped, but clearly at some point before TNG went into production the entire set was given the Enterprise-A makeover, no doubt with the intention to continue using it in the films.

The source of this photo:
http://mikelynchcartoons.blogspot.com/2012/08/podcast-1991-gene-roddenberry-speech.html

lists this as a pic from TMP, NOT TFF

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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^ That is definitely from TFF. Look at the control panels. They didn't look like that in TMP.

 

[SeerSGB]

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^ That is definitely from TFF. Look at the control panels. They didn't look like that in TMP.

Those are the TVH consoles, that bridge looks nothing like the TFF bridge

 

[Christopher]

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^Where are these TFF references coming from? GeorgeKirk's comments accompanying the photo were in reference to the TVH version of the bridge. It was never claimed to be anything else.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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^ Oops, sorry, my bad, I meant TVH, not TFF.

 

[Mycroft Maxwell]

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^ his typo made me think something though. I'm wondering if the controls themselves (The buttons on the consoles) were reused in TFF? They look very similar.

 

[SeerSGB]

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^ his typo made me think something though. I'm wondering if the controls themselves (The buttons on the consoles) were reused in TFF? They look very similar.

Wouldn't be out of the question for the console graphics to have be reused. Plus, wasn't the refit bridge reused for the Stargazer in TNG?

 

[Mycroft Maxwell]

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Wouldn't be out of the question for the console graphics to have be reused. Plus, wasn't the refit bridge reused for the Stargazer in TNG?

It was a reuse of the Battlebridge which was a reuse of the refit bridge.

 

[Workbee]

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As I recall, some of the rear displays from the Stargazer used the backlight displays from TVH (the upper row on the rear station). I think the Helm still retained its control panel, but was left unlit.

The bridge for TFF had many CRTs built in to display graphics with motion, so I don't think the plexiglass panels for TVH were able to be reused. Also, I think the button groups on the control panels were surrounded by a line with rounded corners instead of the more angular corners like TVH. Not sure on this last point, will need to go back and look closely. However the counsels themselves had different shapes, so it is unlikely they could use the same pieces in the new set.

 

[Mycroft Maxwell]

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I did forget one thing though. The Helm and NAV console was reused for certain for TFF and TUC. Both Herman Zimmerman and Mike Okuda stated that. The Turbolift alcoves and Helm/nav station were reused from the refit set (the only salvagable parts). They Modified the NAv/Helm console with a light in the center support. Also the TNG production crew are to blame for the ruined TMP set. Which I am thankful for, because I like both the TFF and TUC setups better than the TMP,TWOK,TSFS, TVH bridge.

 

[Hober Mallow]

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Also the TNG production crew are to blame for the ruined TMP set.

But didn't the movie guys eventually ruin TNG's observation lounge wall? So they're even.

 

[RyanKCR]

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I did forget one thing though. The Helm and NAV console was reused for certain for TFF and TUC. Both Herman Zimmerman and Mike Okuda stated that. The Turbolift alcoves and Helm/nav station were reused from the refit set (the only salvagable parts). They Modified the NAv/Helm console with a light in the center support. Also the TNG production crew are to blame for the ruined TMP set. Which I am thankful for, because I like both the TFF and TUC setups better than the TMP,TWOK,TSFS, TVH bridge.

I prefered the TMP bridge over the others. The TFF bridge was so plain and bleah. TUC improved it a bit.

 

[xvicente]

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^ That is definitely from TFF. Look at the control panels. They didn't look like that in TMP.

Maybe they meant "A motion picture", not "THE motion picture". ST1 has an unfortunate title.