Was the obsession with "Passing the torch" what scuttled Generations?

[sonak]

Re: Was the obsession with "Passing the torch" what scuttled Generatio

Yes, I'm saying he wasn't insane at all. His decisions in the movie made sense to him because all he really cared about was getting back in the Nexus. His actions were amoral, not evil, since he wasn't doing them out of sadistic intent or something like that, he just wanted to accomplish his goal.

By that logic, the Joker from TDK wasn't insane either. He did amoral things, but his decisions made sense to him as he was trying to accomplish his goals. He didn't do things for the sick joy of it, but to prove his points and further his plans.

um, did you watch TDK? Remember all the joy he takes from the killing and destruction he does? He gives an ENTIRE SPEECH about how he loves murdering folks with a knife specifically because he can sadistically enjoy watching the fear in their eyes.


And what were his specific goals? Spreading "anarchy" and "chaos" aren't goals except in a comic book-y supervillain-y sort of way.


A better example on your part would've been someone like Sandman from Spiderman 3 who wanted to get money to help his sick daughter.

 

[sonak]

Re: Was the obsession with "Passing the torch" what scuttled Generatio

The word "insane": I do not think it means what you think it means.

back at you. The legal definition is not being able to tell right from wrong. The psychological definition would be something like an incorrect or distorted grasp on reality.(auditory or visual hallucinations, etc.)


Soran didn't have a tenuous grasp on reality and could tell right from wrong.


committing amoral or immoral actions doesn't make one insane or there'd be a LOT of insane people out there.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Re: Was the obsession with "Passing the torch" what scuttled Generatio

That Soran had been driven permanently insane by what he experienced in the Nexus, so that he could no longer appreciate just how wrong killing 230 million humanoids is, is precisely a point his defense would try to make at his hypothetical trial. On its face, this point sounds plausible. The point explains why the wrongness of his act doesn't restrain him from committing it. It's not even that far from what you've been saying. So, it might well be considered by the court, and therefore the court might even rule that it was the case.

 

[sonak]

Re: Was the obsession with "Passing the torch" what scuttled Generatio

That Soran had been driven permanently insane by what he experienced in the Nexus, so that he could no longer appreciate just how wrong killing 230 million humanoids is, is precisely a point his defense would try to make at his hypothetical trial. On its face, this point sounds plausible. The point explains why the wrongness of his act doesn't restrain him from committing it. It's not even that far from what you've been saying. So, it might well be considered by the court, and therefore the court might even rule that it was the case.

that defense would be made a lot harder by the realization that Picard, Kirk, and Guinan had all experienced the Nexus without going insane trying to get back, and that Picard and Kirk had even left voluntarily.

 

[Gaith]

Re: Was the obsession with "Passing the torch" what scuttled Generatio

This is part of why I unabashedly love Generations; Soran can be read as both insane and sane yet willfully evil. A wonderful villain, much better than that of the other TNG films at least.