Didn't behind the scenes people say the Credence is supposed to be a very old ship that actually has survived the centuries?
Was the Enterprise mentioned in Discovery after they went 900 years forward
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No. That was the original idea for a completely different ship which was not used. The design was then recycled for the Credence, while retaining the original registry number.
That's it, though, they aren't starting over again, and there really was no indication that no new ships were built for a century (indeed, we saw lots of new designs in service, and some may have been post-Burn). The Burn made warp drive more difficult and severely weakened Starfleet, but the institution continued onwards regardless. So having ships with higher registries isn't awkward or unnecessary, it's just in keeping that Starfleet didn't truly stop after the Burn. It think hull numbers in general should be regarded as window dressing and nothing more, IMO...
If there was an Enterprise active in the post-burn 32nd century we would have seen it. Voyager appears to be the current flagship. I personally think the series will end with Saru given full command of Discovery and Burnham given command of the new 32nd century Enterprise by President Rillak, a decision that would tie back to their conversation about Burnham not being ready for a prestige posting
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Does not "older workhorse that had been in service for a long time and was ultimately refitted with trademark 32nd century floating tech" not indicate this was in fact meant to be an older ship? Indeed, this logic could even be applied as to why its interiors were a reuse of Disco's interiors as opposed to the Starfleet Command sets, which you would think if this was indeed meant to be a 32nd century design.
The Credence appeared to be a post-AfterBurn ship. I took its 4 digit registry to be an indication that new ships were going to go back to recycling smaller numbers.
No, because the ship was designed to be an older ship but was not used in that capacity, just like how the PIC Inquiry class was originally designed to be a cargo ship but was instead used for a completely different function. It was used to represent a different ship, and there’s no indication when the Credence was built, other than the low registry that became retconned to have a different meaning than an indicator of how old the ship is. I assumed it was a brand new ship because it was not one of the classes that we were specifically shown to have been destroyed in the Burn.
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If the Credence was a ship that indeed was in service for a very long time and was refitted with 32nd-Century, that would make the case for Starfleet easily doing the same with the Discovery rather than incorporate her spore drive into an existing design. Maybe unlike the Discovery, the Credence's transformation into a 32nd-Century ship was far more gradual and took place over time. If there's anything we know about hull numbers, though, is that they aren't always sequential and aren't always reliable indicators of how old a ship is. There have been a number of instances of newer ships having much lower hull numbers than older ones. Some ships could get hull numbers for earlier ships that were planned but never built for whatever reason...
And what we saw in the brief clip of ships being destroyed in the Burn is supposed to represent all the ship classes that were in service at the time?
First, the shot of the ships exploding was not meant to be taken literally. There wasn’t a huge bunch of ships just sitting around together doing nothing when they all blew up. It was supposed to be a representation of what the Burn did to all ships everywhere.
Second, since it was just a representation, one would assume that the ships shown were all the ship classes Starfleet was using at the time.
No? The scene starts off with Michael and Sahil staring at a computer display showing icons with registry numbers, then we cut to the image of the ships in the same alignment as the icons were.
I thought the intent was they were ships which were circling around Sahil's station at the moment of the Burn?
Rather small amount of ship classes compared to what they had in the 24th or even 25th century. And what about the ship classes we saw which had multiple ships represented in that scene?
So? It was still a figurative representation of the Burn, as far as I’m concerned.
If you want to interpret the scene that way, you’re welcome to. I don’t interpret the scene that way, because we don’t see the station in that representation.
Not really proof of anything. For Frontier Day in PIC, every active Starfleet vessel was in attendance, and there were only about 20 classes total.
What about them?
Why would we? If the camera were positioned on the station itself, it'd be pretty difficult for the station to get in the footage, even with 31st century tech.
And yet there were classes we know should be in existence which were not present, like the California class. Besides, even twenty classes is still more than the amount of classes we saw represented in the footage of the Burn.
So you’re saying that a bunch of ships all randomly exploded by matter/antimatter warp core breaches, and the station they were all supposedly next to didn’t get destroyed along with them, despite being in close proximity to the explosions?
We don’t know if the California class is still in service in 2401. And with programmable matter, why would 32nd century Starfleet need a bunch of different ship classes anyway? Heck, why would they even need more than one? The fact that we saw ten different types of ships explode doesn’t seem that far of a stretch if those ten ship classes represented all of 31st century Starfleet’s ship classes.
Why does Starfleet of any century?
Well, they clearly do have more than one. More than the ten we've seen isn't that far fetched.
Then there’s no need to continue arguing about how many ship classes Starfleet had in the 31st century.
If you say so. I am content to believe that those ten types we saw explode were representative of the entirety of 31st century Starfleet’s ship classes.
Perhaps 32nd-century ships have NO registry numbers?
Why would they need them? A simple transponder code could instantly identify a ship to everyone within range. Of what use is a registry number when we have that?
Ship numbers exist for the viewers at home, nothing more.
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I think the only reason why the TOS Enterprise had her registry so prominent on her hull was a nod towards World War II-era naval ships and aircraft. It then became a standard thing for every Starfleet vessel. Otherwise, the practice is more traditional than practical as it isn't really needed in the age of transponders and hailing frequencies that can be read from many thousands of kilometers away, IMO.
Starfleet knows the value of a dramatic reveal.
I’m not sure what the point is that you’re trying to make. The ships have numbers. They’re right there on the hulls. There’s a reason that they’re there, because if they didn’t want them, they wouldn’t be there. Everything else you said is just some very odd conjecture that isn’t actually backed up by what we see in the show. By your logic, ships from the 23rd and 24th centuries don’t have registry numbers either (despite clearly being seen on screen) because they just exist for the viewers at home, nothing more.
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I mean, we have seen registry numbers on 32nd century ships. I mean, hell in the episode where Disco arrived in at Starfleet Command, there was a scene where the bridge crew looked at Voyager's registry number and read it out loud.
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